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Postby JoTheBuilder » 09 Jan 2013, 13:19

The question has to be asked... Will I get as much grief as Lizanne does for her track bike if I rocked up to a time trial on this?:
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bicycles ... /100310919

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Postby Lizanne » 09 Jan 2013, 13:25

grief? what grief? i call it admiration/jealousy. if you get that colour you just need to rock it. and either have the big personality (like Gi) or speed to back it up. you can't just hide in the crowd with a bike like that.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 09 Jan 2013, 13:54

and either have the big personality (like Gi).
Or you!

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Postby Lizanne » 09 Jan 2013, 14:08

Or you!
ya but i can't use myself as an example personally i thought i fell into the speed category :D

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Postby Derek » 09 Jan 2013, 14:13

I think we are all forgetting the number one rule of cycling.

Look good first and worry about the riding later.

Go for it Jo, I reckon the colours alone are worth and extra 3-4 kmh on a ride

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Postby Dougie » 09 Jan 2013, 15:08

The question has to be asked... Will I get as much grief as Lizanne does for her track bike if I rocked up to a time trial on this?:
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bicycles ... /100310919

Yes

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Postby Stuart » 09 Jan 2013, 15:09

don't do it Jo ... don't become a triathlete :P

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Postby Philip » 09 Jan 2013, 15:26

What are you talking about, it's camouflage, you'll be totally undetectable! ;)
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Postby scully » 09 Jan 2013, 16:16

Serious part-Looks great.

Teasing a little bit part- What will you wear?
Pink tank top with black arm warmers or black tank top with pink arm warmers?

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Postby Trouty » 09 Jan 2013, 18:16

The question has to be asked... Will I get as much grief as Lizanne does for her track bike if I rocked up to a time trial on this?:
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bicycles ... /100310919
Don't do it Jo, the bike just screams .."look at me, I'm so loud, I've got bad taste, I'm so great - or think I am". But if you like it that's all that matters. If you ever wanted to resell it to get some money back, your market is severely reduced. It's at least a much nicer pink than others I've seen to date.
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Postby timothy_clifford » 09 Jan 2013, 18:28

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Postby Trouty » 10 Jan 2013, 07:49

don't do it Jo ... don't become a triathlete :P
After spending 4 days with triathaletes I've found a new respect for them, nothing wrong with being a triathalete - it's just way too much work for me.

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Postby timyone » 10 Jan 2013, 11:27

I reckon cruisy triathletism is a nice way to keep fit, Sunday waterfall, some running or swimming in the week

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Postby timyone » 10 Jan 2013, 11:29

I always thought those bikes were only for rich cyclists, I hadn't thought about people who only time trial, so you could have a fixie and a time trial bike. I don't know if guys think down of girls on pink bikes

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Postby PeterOS » 10 Jan 2013, 12:40

Don't do it Jo,
wait until you have done a few races, and your sure you can handle the change in life style before spending any money, resale value on a pink bike wouldn't be to high.

So how did you go on Sunday anyway !

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Postby marc2131 » 10 Jan 2013, 12:41

Was always told Pink bikes go faster (like red ones).
Besides watched Lizanne blitz her velodrome competitors on a hot pink bike a couple of weeks ago.

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Postby mikesbytes » 10 Jan 2013, 13:46

Everyone should have a TT bike.

All achievable within the n+1 and r-1 rules

And if r-1 doesn't apply, then you need 2 identical TT bikes, one to ride and one to sit on the roof rack of the car that's following you

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 10 Jan 2013, 15:25

Loving the comments... Tim, great poster. Sums up most bike manufacturers attitute towards women in cycling (though they are all improving).

You'll all be pleased to know I never really considered the bike. Apart from the fact it's too small, I would never seriously ride a pink bike (all respect Lizanne).

Pete, done quite a few triathlons over the last couple of years (even before I became a cyclist - nothing like riding a triathlon on a flat bar hybrid) so am comfortable with my n+1 (thanks Mike).

My 2 realistic options are:
Giant Trinity Composite 1 W (notice it is a women's bike but is not pink!) - this is on sale at MC Cylery.
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-au/bik ... 046/57433/

Felt B16
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bicycles ... /102157036 - on sale at BikeLab.

MC Cyclery do a bike fit with bike purchase and were exceptionally helpful and knowledgable. Not sure about BikeLab if anyone knows? Will find out on Saturday.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 10 Jan 2013, 15:38

P.S. I have been told by a certain other half that he will never talk to me again if I get a Giant and referred me to this.

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Postby Dougie » 10 Jan 2013, 16:42

P.S. I have been told by a certain other half that he will never talk to me again if I get a Giant and referred me to this.
I am REALLY hoping he was referring you to point 1, as 2 through 7 are a little too much even for my school boy sense of humour! :!:

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Postby GregPankhurst » 10 Jan 2013, 16:46

Well for the price difference on the Felt you could afford to get a bike fit done (the place in Milsons Pt was great BTW) and still come out ahead.

Admittedly I'd prefer the full Ultegra of the Giant than the FSA crankset. YMMV. Also don't know much about how the wheels stack up.

As to the hubbard thing, does Christian shave his legs? :-)

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Postby Trouty » 10 Jan 2013, 18:26

You'll all be pleased to know I never really considered the bike. Apart from the fact it's too small, I would never seriously ride a pink bike
Thats good as You've got many friends here and we all would have staged an intervention before letting that happen.

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Postby mikesbytes » 10 Jan 2013, 19:03

P.S. I have been told by a certain other half that he will never talk to me again if I get a Giant and referred me to this.
I take that as a form of R-1

Apart from a bit of mulling over the merits of the components, its hard to see the differences between the bikes. Bike fit is probably more important than the bike as 80% of wind resistance is on your body.

Oh and as you know, you need to add a set of time trail wheels to those prices

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Postby timyone » 11 Jan 2013, 03:32

True, wheels may be better, and the set of aero bars

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Postby Trouty » 11 Jan 2013, 05:47

True, wheels may be better, and the set of aero bars
Brats run a timed 16km tt in the park once a month. I think I've done about 4 of them and although improvement may have come from some improved fitness and weather conditions, the day I tried it with aero bars and carbon wheels, I shaved nearly 2 minutes off my time....so I'd have to agree with Tim definitely.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 11 Jan 2013, 07:41

That's what got me started on this whole escapade. I borrowed Alex's aero bars, stuck them on my road bike, and shaved nearly a minute off my best time for a Centennial Park lap.

But they are a bit of a pain to get on and off and you obviously shouldn't use them in bunch riding.

Plus, you don't need an excuse for n+1...

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Postby Trouty » 11 Jan 2013, 09:01

That's what got me started on this whole escapade. I borrowed Alex's aero bars, stuck them on my road bike, and shaved nearly a minute off my best time for a Centennial Park lap.

But they are a bit of a pain to get on and off and you obviously shouldn't use them in bunch riding.

Plus, you don't need an excuse for n+1...
Settled then, a new bike (not pink) plus carbon wheels! We always deserve new toys, and you will fly. Screw on handle bars aren't the best but for the amount of times I use them they aren't a bad interim solution.

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Postby Lizanne » 11 Jan 2013, 09:08

*wispers in JoTheBuilders ear*
do it!
go the pink bike!
ya know ya wanna!

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Postby Trouty » 11 Jan 2013, 09:11

Jo jo....are you a masters woman yet? Catch you on the weekend hopefully.

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Postby rhys » 11 Jan 2013, 09:58

*wispers in JoTheBuilders ear*
do it!
go the pink bike!
ya know ya wanna!
Don't listen to Lizanne, she just wants company with her gaudy coloured bike! Buy the Felt, they lead you to eternal happiness :)

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Postby Trouty » 11 Jan 2013, 16:37

Good advice Rhys...she'll be sorted on a bike we will all envy.

Hey Jo Jo, we are expecting big centennial lap improvements on the felt, I can see you flying next TT!

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 12 Jan 2013, 18:21

So Christian and I went to various bike shops today to look at the bikes and here are the results:

1. Burwood Cycleworld: Brett was exceptionally helpful. We went through a few bikes including a beautiful Fuji that was out of my price range, the Avanti Chrono and an Azzuri. The Azzuri was a good price for full carbon, Ultegra, but unfortunately they only had a medium. I took it for a test ride but couldn't reach the pedals. A minor problem when test riding a bike. Unfortunately, Cycleworld are not getting any more in so it would have to be an online purchase, ergo, no bike fit.

2. Bike Lab. Yet another disappointing visit to the Bondi Junction store. We went there to view the Felt B16 that they had advertised on Bike Exchange. We were told in brusque terms that they don't sell them off the floor. Instead, you can only purchase them online, receive them in a box, and have them assembled. However, they must be assembled by a qualified bike mechanic or you void the warranty (NB: Christian is not a qualified mechanic). For Bike Lab to assemble them costs $300 which puts the bike back at RRP and approximately equal with the Giant. The lady wasn't particularly forthcoming with information, so we left.

3. MC Cylery Maroubra. Another very helpful staff member (who, incidentally, rides with DHBC and has been posting some very successful crit results - guess who?), we went through the Giant options and compared it to the Felt. The Giant Trinity is full carbon, Ultegra and comes with a full bike fit. They can also move the bike to the city store so I can do it my lunch hour.

All in all, I think the Giant is going to be first across the line in this case. Unless anyone can suggest a friendly Felt dealer, this is probably going to be my decision. Sorry Rhys!

Oh, and on a side note, I shaved 45s off my Centennial Park lap time this morning on my roadie with aero bars (with Christian motivating me (read: cycling beside me not even breaking a sweat)). Imagine what I could do on a TT bike!

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Postby Trouty » 12 Jan 2013, 21:35

Imagine what I could do on a TT bike!
Well done Jo with your time, it's only going to get better.

I reckon investing in good race wheels would be a bigger improvement...you can never have enough wheels. I'm excited for you getting a new bike!woohoo

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Postby jonboy » 13 Jan 2013, 04:32

P.S. I have been told by a certain other half that he will never talk to me again if I get a Giant and referred me to this.
Glad to hear that good sense has prevailed. Welcome to the dark side. Talking in a relationship is highly overrated. But you may have to develop your own language of grunting or learn sign language.

Giant riders of the world unite. At least you probably shave your legs.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 14 Jan 2013, 15:55

Bit of an update... TBSM do the Felt B16 even cheaper than BikeLab. The bike will come assembled and they can do a bike fit. Thanks Laura for the tip!

The only catch is that I have to put a deposit down of $100 for them to get my size in.

I wanted to see it on Saturday but might have to just visit the shop to have a look at the Felts in general, and then make a decision on the $100 and wait another week for them to get the bike in.

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Postby Trouty » 14 Jan 2013, 16:09

Bit of an update... TBSM do the Felt B16 even cheaper than BikeLab. The bike will come assembled and they can do a bike fit. Thanks Laura for the tip!

The only catch is that I have to put a deposit down of $100 for them to get my size in.

I wanted to see it on Saturday but might have to just visit the shop to have a look at the Felts in general, and then make a decision on the $100 and wait another week for them to get the bike in.
Hey Jo, I just got a post from brats about a tt bike. I will email you details and you can take it from there

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Postby mikesbytes » 15 Jan 2013, 13:32

Did some rough calls on a Kernell sprint
500mtr = 10min
Change over = 2min
20k = 30min
Change over = 2min
5k =22.5min

Total = 66.5

Make it 70min to allow a bit for congestion and newbie

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 15 Jan 2013, 14:17

The swim is 750m Mike so add a little onto that.

I worked out my transition to bike was approx 4mins as I was stuck trying to get the wetsuit off and then get all the cycling gear on.

My run is hopeless... Would love to crack the 25mins for 5km but it's unlikely in the near future.

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Postby weller » 15 Jan 2013, 14:38

Jo

Give the wetsuit a miss for the Kurnell series, the flotation gain will be offset trying to get out of it and the water is water temp is fine. Do the whole thing in a one piece (swim, ride & run). Also as the ride is so flat & short, using running shoes on the ride (with toe clips) is another way of saving a heap of time in transition and you wont lose too much on pedalling efficiency.

Aim to keep it simple - they are not called sprint triathlons for nothing! Good luck!

CW

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Postby Trouty » 15 Jan 2013, 15:26

Jo

Give the wetsuit a miss for the Kurnell series, the flotation gain will be offset trying to get out of it and the water is water temp is fine. Do the whole thing in a one piece (swim, ride & run). Also as the ride is so flat & short, using running shoes on the ride (with toe clips) is another way of saving a heap of time in transition and you wont lose too much on pedalling efficiency.

Aim to keep it simple - they are not called sprint triathlons for nothing! Good luck!

CW
Yeah good luck jo. When I went to the camp, there were 2 girls that didn't use wetsuits (and they were swimming much faster than the boys anyway). I did notice how much time they saved on the transition whilst everyone was squirming out of their suits. Even a minute head start can help you if the next leg isn't your strongest. Go jo go!

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 15 Jan 2013, 16:05

Thanks guys.

The main reason I am using the wetsuit is that I am still not all that comfortable swimming in it but as I plan to use it for the big one in June, I need all the practice I can get.

In saying that though, I do have a 6 pack of Gatorade on the next race against a guy from work. He beat me by 2 mins in the last one and the only leg of his that was stronger was the run...

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Postby mikesbytes » 15 Jan 2013, 19:42

The swim is 750m Mike so add a little onto that.

I worked out my transition to bike was approx 4mins as I was stuck trying to get the wetsuit off and then get all the cycling gear on.

My run is hopeless... Would love to crack the 25mins for 5km but it's unlikely in the near future.
750mtrs, that makes it 15mins + I need to do some training.

25mins sounds reasonable for a female to do 5k in.

My 22.5mins for the 5k is based on zero training. I would love to crack 20mins, but that means I'd have to do some running training and my preference is to do as little running training as possible and strictly on grass. Perhaps some intervals on the playing field behind the German club.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 20 Jan 2013, 17:13

n+1

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Postby mikesbytes » 20 Jan 2013, 17:36

Nice

Any plans on wheels?

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Postby Trouty » 20 Jan 2013, 19:02

Now that's a nice Jo, wish I had one of those....very jealous Jo. Well done on your good choice.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 20 Jan 2013, 20:46

A mate of Greg's is selling some carbon Cosmic's. Hopefully having a look this week. The ones on the bike are very heavy...


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