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Postby geoff m » 25 May 2010, 22:58

This is a first time event for quite a few people, so I might write up some info to assist people getting there.

The venue is at Dapto High with 10.00am race start. Its about about 1.5 hours drive from Marrickville. For those driving Sat Nav should get you there easily.

You can choose to log in directions into google maps as well.

For others another easy way to get there is just drift down the main freeway and position yourself behind another car with a road bike on its racks with 85% chance that the car is headed towards the same race. If however, the car pulls over, and then starts tracking behind you, then you will know that they have followed these instructions, and you are both stuffed - hey, wind down the window and say gidday to your fellow DHBC rider.

Allow yourself 30 mins to sign on (DON'T FORGET TO TAKE YOUR RACE LICENCE OR RECEIPT IF YOU HAVE JUST REGISTERED - No licence means you will be 'waterboy' rather than rider), get changed, and get the bike ready.

Allow 30 mins for a warm up ride.

Allow 30 mins for getting back to start and for pre-race briefing and race start.

So, to be comfortable, aim to get there by 8.30am which is a 7.00am departure from Marrickville for a non stop drive.

Its traditional not to take the shortest route via Princess Hwy but to go via Taren Point road, to pass DHBC riders on a training ride, singing gloriouos patriotic club songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CNKzvoFha4), whilst waving your jersey outside the window (not recommended for drivers, but rather passengers).

Its also traditional for the DHBC peletons to wave back with encouragement, taking care to keep formation and maintaining utmost safety. Singing of a patriotic song is permitted, lead by the lead two riders.

When passing RBCC or Easts or SCC its traditional to wave the jersey and sing patriotic club songs.

For those who don't have a means to get there, you should note a need for a lift below and someone with a car should agree to pick you up.

Any questions, feel free to add to this thread.

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Postby orphic » 26 May 2010, 10:28

Handicaps are up - http://nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/races/ ... #Handicaps

See you in the limit bunch Jo, Camilla, Simon and Paul :)

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 10:30

Weather prediction for Wollongong area on Sun... Heavy Rain! Ouch.

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Postby orphic » 26 May 2010, 10:34

Lucky I did some rain training on Sunday... Although I am not sure about my road tyres in the wet, and I'm not riding the fixie.

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Postby timyone » 26 May 2010, 11:31

i wasnt going to go, because im going to get hammered, and be in a new bunch after i get dropped on that hill every time we ride up it, :D but i have so many people to ride with :D go us! im not going to race, im there to follow the teachings of president Geoffe, and sing our club song the whole time :D though im not really into the swans theme music, i might re-write it to fit that song about liking big butts instead.

Chidgey and mark for the win :D

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Postby geoff m » 26 May 2010, 13:23

And with honorary friend of DHBC (and ex-member, and Commissaire at our Dunc Gray Crits) Nick Bregolin riding in Limit Group, DHBC will command a majority of that bunch.

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Postby christian » 26 May 2010, 13:38

I'm happy with that handicap, its what I was expecting.

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Postby orphic » 26 May 2010, 13:55

Oh I didn't see Nick was in there too. Awesome. It's going to be a fun morning!

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 13:58

... So now we know "G" is Girindar. :D

... And what is "Sydney Uni Velo Club", let alone being a racing club? I wonder if I am entitled to membership? :mrgreen:

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Postby shrubb face » 26 May 2010, 14:49

I'm happy with the handicap, all going well i should be in with a chance.

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Postby orphic » 26 May 2010, 15:06

Weiyun - SUV is a new club, only recently because CNSW affiliated. http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/?ID=36933 ... cling_Club

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 15:11

Thanks. Looks like that the club has only just formed and had their first club ride this month, Wed and Sat AMs from Centennial Park. Shouldn't they be starting from the front of the Main Quad in SU?

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Postby mikesbytes » 26 May 2010, 20:27

That's weird my post went missing and the database didn't log that I have visited the thread so it didn't subsequently send me a posting notification. Hope we aren't experiencing technical problems.

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 20:41

Not encountered any problems nor have I seen your post.

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Postby over the hill » 26 May 2010, 21:17

hi

i'm the lone sydney uni velo entrant for sunday- looking forward to seeing you all there!

cheers

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Postby mcrkennedy » 26 May 2010, 22:06

Some advice for those at 25 minutes. There are I see about 4 or 5 Illawarra riders. If it was like the last time I did this they will start a pace line very quickly and they will not be looking for any help. In fact they will not want your help. You will need to decide if you will just sit on or just force you way in. Either way I don't think it will make much difference. Best of luck for Sunday.

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 22:30

Some advice for those at 25 minutes. There are I see about 4 or 5 Illawarra riders. If it was like the last time I did this they will start a pace line very quickly and they will not be looking for any help. In fact they will not want your help. You will need to decide if you will just sit on or just force you way in. Either way I don't think it will make much difference. Best of luck for Sunday.
If they are making good pace, why would anyone want to work harder than necessary?

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Postby williamd » 26 May 2010, 22:34

I remember there were some burgulars there from that club.

lol

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Postby weiyun » 26 May 2010, 22:50

I remember there were some burgulars there from that club.
Well, hard to call burgulars if they aren't even in contention for the bunch finish. :wink:

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Postby geoff m » 26 May 2010, 23:30

I've got room in my car for one person, with roof racks for the bike. Leaving around 6.45am. PM me if you need a lift

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Postby Trouty » 27 May 2010, 07:17

Weather prediction for Wollongong area on Sun... Heavy Rain! Ouch.
If it's raining I'm out. Most would say to TTFU, but I'm not ashamed to admit I'm strictly a fair weather cyclist.
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Postby weiyun » 27 May 2010, 07:55

It's now downgraded to rain periods for Sun. HTFU is the term.

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Postby orphic » 27 May 2010, 09:57

If it's raining I'm out. Most would say to TTFU (Toughen The F Up), but I'm not ashamed to admit I'm strictly a fair weather cyclist.
Awww come on Jo, we want to see the limit bunch in a sea of red! Although if I had your bike I would probably think twice about getting it anywhere near water... But you have a backup don't you? :)

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Postby weiyun » 27 May 2010, 10:00

Are fenders allowed on bikes during races? Or are the water spray a way to muddy your opponents? ;)

I'm in the same position as Jo. It's not so much as getting a nice bike dirty, but the concerns with wet weather brake performance, slippery roads and other safety related factors in a big racing bunch. It's a question of individual's risk profile. I'll spectate if the weather is poor and cheer from the sideline.

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 May 2010, 10:11

Jo its HTFU (Harden The Female Up)

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Postby Trouty » 27 May 2010, 20:04

Jo its HTFU (Harden The Female Up)
I'm a safety girl, so I'm not risking my bike or my body to race in the wet. I'm just not that experienced.

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Postby micklan » 27 May 2010, 20:09

I'm a safety girl, so I'm not risking my bike or my body to race in the wet. I'm just not that experienced.
Thats a Sensible call Trouty :shock:

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Postby mikesbytes » 27 May 2010, 22:41

I'm a safety girl, so I'm not risking my bike or my body to race in the wet. I'm just not that experienced.
I'll quote those words to you sometime during RAW

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Postby shrubb face » 27 May 2010, 23:29

noooo, trouty I need you in my leadout train. Your like my George Hincapi.

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Postby Julio » 28 May 2010, 08:29

Your like my George Hincapi.
Whot? like with the awesome veins popping out of her legs :shock: I would have been patriotic and said Mark Renshaw to your Mark Cavendish or maybe Cadels leadout man who is....oh that right every one of his teams hates him :lol:

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Postby jimmy » 28 May 2010, 11:51

Actually, the forecast isn't just for rain, it's also for some pretty strong wind. 80km/hr are potentially forecast.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sydne ... utostart=1

If I was racing, I might be prepared to race in one of those two conditions, but together is going to be crash galore.

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Postby weiyun » 28 May 2010, 15:08

The Wollongong area forecast is as follows,
Sunday: Rain areas, with possible heavy falls and the chance of thunderstorms. Southwest wind becoming strong and gusty east to southeasterly.
My read of that is that wind may not pick up until later in the day. With an early start, hopefully it won't cause havoc for the bunches. Will just have to wait and see.

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Postby shrubb face » 28 May 2010, 16:17

Well in light of that weather report I might ride my disc and five spoke, and hope I can use them like a sail for the sprint finish. Its bound to work.

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Postby mikesbytes » 28 May 2010, 16:47

Well in light of that weather report I might ride my disc and five spoke, and hope I can use them like a sail for the sprint finish. Its bound to work.
Excellent strategy. When you come past I'll ride leeward of you

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Postby Trouty » 28 May 2010, 17:04

noooo, trouty I need you in my leadout train. Your like my George Hincapi.
I'm too short and slow to be any good in a lead out for you. So I guess that means even if it is raining in the morning, every one is driving up there?

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Postby mikesbytes » 28 May 2010, 17:26

I'm too short and slow to be any good in a lead out for you. So I guess that means even if it is raining in the morning, every one is driving up there?
If we get there then bail, we could always head for that Pub the tourers went to a while back

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Postby T-Bone » 29 May 2010, 00:07

If we get there then bail, we could always head for that Pub the tourers went to a while back
You won't see me driving all that way and bailing!!

Regardless, the pub does sound good for afterwards depending on how soggy i am :D

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Postby orphic » 29 May 2010, 14:48

May as well race... The pub doesn't open until midday from memory.

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Postby mikesbytes » 29 May 2010, 15:17

Dam, no beer till lunch time.

Well I'm looking unlikely to race at this point, I'll come down and cheer you all on.

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Postby Camilla » 29 May 2010, 17:26

Anyone got room in their car for me? I'm quite small. My bike is regular size though and he'd need a spot too.

Since Jo is refusing to HTFU I am left without a driving buddy but I'm not keen to go solo. My first real road race and 'll I need some moral support! Navigating and working myself into a panic may be too much multi-tasking for me.

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Postby Trouty » 29 May 2010, 19:33

Anyone got room in their car for me? I'm quite small. My bike is regular size though and he'd need a spot too.

Since Jo is refusing to HTFU I am left without a driving buddy but I'm not keen to go solo. My first real road race and 'll I need some moral support! Navigating and working myself into a panic may be too much multi-tasking for me.
Yeah - sorry Cam - admittedly I'm soft, I'm not keen to do 90km in the rain - 40 was hard enough. Good luck, kill those hills.

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Postby mikesbytes » 29 May 2010, 19:51

And that gold medal will about about 2kph to your performance....

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Postby weiyun » 29 May 2010, 20:09

Latest weather forecast suggests that the rain will clear overnight and redevelop later on Sunday. There's some promise on 512km doppler and satellite images. I will have a spare seat/bike space in my car but I won't decide go or no go until 6am or so. So if that works, let me know.

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Postby shrubb face » 29 May 2010, 20:13

I may have a spare seat, depending on whether or not Mat decides to ride. I will warn you though, the inside of my car got slightly wet the other day and has developed a lovely damp smell.

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Postby Camilla » 29 May 2010, 21:27

Thanks everyone, I'm sorted for a lift now. Jo - I think you're brave enough riding today. Alex - it's ok, I'm pretty sure there's a homeless guy who sleeps in my car during foul weather. I don't begrudge him the comfort, but it doesn't always do much for the general aroma.

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Postby weiyun » 29 May 2010, 23:24

Rain, no rain? Tonight my buddy came over and dropped a Tibco Women's Pro Cycling calendar. The first page I opened up had this photo... How timely! I just lost my excuse to hide tomorrow. :oops:

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Getting one of their jersey soon (in the mail)... But am I allowed to wear it? :roll:

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Postby geoff m » 30 May 2010, 16:51

Weiyun has video footage which helped confirm today's 1cm winner. Weiyun?

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Postby weiyun » 30 May 2010, 17:57

What a day!

We were so lucky to have caught the "calm before the storm" for our race. Basically no rain apart from a few loose droplets towards the end. The wind was minor considering what they were predicting. Almost perfect.

Rolled back to the finish after 2 laps to watch the finish and took some video clips, including the photo finish. Just as I hit the freeway on my way home, received a call from MikeC asking me to get back as Kevin Young and officials want to review the video I took... So a big turn around.

Included below are the videos and 5 frame grabs. Make your own mind up as to who hit the line first. I understand there's some questions over the transponder data.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2DS71AfvLU

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A bit of showmanship may have helped in taking the prize! ;)

Video of JameF crossing the line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIv2hpxNwp8

Video of MikeC crossing the line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUmKdxLBwM

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Postby geoff m » 30 May 2010, 21:10

Classic Video and Frame Shots Weiyun. They don't get much closer!

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Postby jimmy » 31 May 2010, 06:39

Looking at the shots, I think that they guy in blue and yellow did actually win. Have a look at the second last picture, to me, his wheel is pretty much on top of the white line, while the front wheel of the guy in white is just a little bit behind it.

Mind you, if the guy in white had done a bike surge, then he would have taken the prize. Anyone remember 2004 Milan San-Remo

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Postby weiyun » 31 May 2010, 07:58

Looking at the shots, I think that they guy in blue and yellow did actually win. Have a look at the second last picture, to me, his wheel is pretty much on top of the white line, while the front wheel of the guy in white is just a little bit behind it.

Mind you, if the guy in white had done a bike surge, then he would have taken the prize. Anyone remember 2004 Milan San-Remo
That was the initial interpretation when I ran the video on the iPhone straight after, and by what appeared to be a significant margin. After putting it up on the computer and analyzing the contact point of both wheels (partially obscured for the more distant rider, John Forrest), the difference weren't so marked. After putting in some geometric lines, I think he just won by a tiniest margin. However, the resolution of the images are limited to be 100% confident of this interpretation.

Also note, the winner is the first wheel to be over the white line, not the first wheel to contact the white line. They need a high speed camera mounted right at the line to truly separate finishes this close.

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Postby G » 31 May 2010, 10:30

Epic race and great weather. Good work by DHBC riders, especially Amy who was the 2nd female home. Well done to all those who raced. Thanks Geoff M for suggesting about this road race.

Oh... and Fush and Chops at the Waterfall after the race is already a tradition.

oh... and we saw some bunches riding to Waterfall. I waved the DHBC jersey... I don't know who they were, but they smiled.
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Postby geoff m » 31 May 2010, 12:50

Great G that you, and a whole host of new riders turned up. You are now a big fan of this format. See you in more races.

Weiyun has scored front page of the Cycling NSW Website with frame by frame postings of his amazing shots.

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/default.asp?Page=37800

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Postby weiyun » 31 May 2010, 12:58

Weiyun has scored front page of the Cycling NSW Website with frame by frame postings of his amazing shots.
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/default.asp?Page=37800
And you provided the commentary in the video. Not quite Phil Liggett but was close... :mrgreen:

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Postby G » 31 May 2010, 13:05

ok, when's the next c0ol road race? :D

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Postby Camilla » 31 May 2010, 14:07

The commentary is the best bit! "Aaaallllmost lost it." To be honest, if it's judged by the first wheel to go over the white line and not the first wheel to hit it, then I think he did.

My first road race and I enjoyed every second! I'm keen to do more. Next time hopefully with the pack rather than as an individual TT for the last 57 km. But I was was happy just to finish and had a ball watching the race develop and unfold as I went along. It's a great format.

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Postby wallman » 31 May 2010, 15:03

I was pretty chuffed to finish with the scratch bunch yesterday but today I'm seriously regretting not firing a shot in the sprint - you can see me roll through towards the back of the group in Weiyun's vid of the finish. I need to be less competitive at Scrabble and more competitive in cycling!

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Postby weiyun » 31 May 2010, 15:06

Yes, saw you roll through towards the end of the bunch and the PT hub was the ID give away. Fantastic!

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Postby mikesbytes » 31 May 2010, 16:10

Of course if Alex hadn't worked so hard at the Sydney road titles the result would of been different

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Postby orphic » 31 May 2010, 16:58

I found it very difficult to enjoy yesterday, and was pretty upset with myself in the end. I spent lots of time last week thinking about and tweaking plans for eating right and making sure my blood sugar levels were spot on before and during the race... Only to see them plummet for no apparent reason 30 minutes before the start. It was kind of over before it began for me, and has really put me off entering another road race.

But I guess I'll suck it up and try and learn something from it. I need to race more to get these things right I suppose.

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Postby Trouty » 31 May 2010, 17:28

I found it very difficult to enjoy yesterday, and was pretty upset with myself in the end. I spent lots of time last week thinking about and tweaking plans for eating right and making sure my blood sugar levels were spot on before and during the race... Only to see them plummet for no apparent reason 30 minutes before the start. It was kind of over before it began for me, and has really put me off entering another road race.

But I guess I'll suck it up and try and learn something from it. I need to race more to get these things right I suppose.
Hey Vic - You need to not get so upset about it. We all get dropped - I literally did the Moruya Road Race on my own after lap 1, and I am guessing that would have happened at Dinnerville and more races to follow. We all have to start some where - and the more races we do the more experience we get. Most of the girls in this club are so new to racing, so we have to be realistic about our race results. Have some fun with it.

Congrat's to all that entered and had a go. Sounded like fun, but my decision to recover under the Doona served me well.

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Postby orphic » 31 May 2010, 18:22

Thanks Jo. I guess more racing will mean more experience. And maybe it'll mean getting fitter too!

There was fun elements to it... It was awesome seeing so many DHBC people in the race. When I was dropped and looking for the next bunch to come by it was comforting to see lots of red jerseys in the distance. The loop format of the race meant that you got to see who was in the lead when those in front were coming back the other way. Cheering for people (like Paul - who did something like 30km's off the front on his own!) was good fun.

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Postby G » 31 May 2010, 18:30

Thanks for cheering vic! Don't know how you monitor your blo0d sugar levels, but I guess a couple of gels before the race may sort out your worries?!

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Postby G » 31 May 2010, 18:31

Geoff, do you know who was taking photos at the hill?

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Postby weiyun » 31 May 2010, 18:48

It's well known that these country road races have a different level of fitness requirements, they are a major step up from the endurance requirements of local criteriums and track events.

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Postby Trouty » 31 May 2010, 19:12

Thanks Jo. I guess more racing will mean more experience. And maybe it'll mean getting fitter too!
Yep you will get fitter. It does piss me off at times getting beaten lot, but in the end it's all about improving to your own ability. Just remember some of these riders have been racing a lot longer. Keep at it.

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Postby mikesbytes » 31 May 2010, 19:44

Hey Vic, lets put this in perspective.

- You had a problem with your levels
- Every DHBC rider except Matt was dropped at some point during the race
- There was something on with the dynamics of the limit bunch because it blew apart and ended up with just one rider riding solo
- Your first road race

Think about what you have gained from this experience

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Postby micklan » 31 May 2010, 20:05

I gotta say I can't stop thinking about the race even though I was a dnf. I rode well for over 1 hr I think and then when we caught the bunch in front i think mentally I crumbled and then told myself physically I was no good, then my bike was making noises - Mark L came up and had a word in my ear (@1.5 laps) I told him we'd catch them at the bottom of the hill...

It was a fast pace once we got warmed up - it was top to ride with 3 club mates in the bunch: Jesus Chidgey and Mark L. (bugger than may not be pc). Nearing end of lap 1 Mark L - had a word in my ear and said: I'm F%^ked ! I didn't reply, but thought this is not got news at this time. Mark L finished the race - a top effort and Chidgey also. Chidgey had words with all who would listen including chatting to G Singh and Jullian going up that bloody hill, oh and also chatting with the boys on the Illawarra train...

I love that course and hope to have another crack next year, less a couple of kilos and with some solid 3 hr non stop rnp training rides... :o

I also thought it was great to see Camilia pop up here and there and also join bunch activities at various intervals, as did Geoff and Weiyun :D just like a training ride
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Postby weiyun » 31 May 2010, 20:14

I love that course and hope to have another crack next year, less a couple of kilos and with some solid 3 hr non stop rnp training rides... :o
Do you want to initiate this new Sun club ride? Start at Sutherland and do continuous RNP loops for 3 hours before the return? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby micklan » 31 May 2010, 20:52

Do you want to initiate this new Sun club ride? Start at Sutherland and do continuous RNP loops for 3 hours before the return? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Good idea - maybe the Gold Medalist could lead it

But do that training and the Dinnerville is yours :twisted:

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Postby paul » 31 May 2010, 21:02

I found it a big step up from Heffron D grade, but it has inspired me to train a bit harder.
Starting in the limit bunch, I rode the first hour and a bit on my own, then with two Illawara riders, before, being swept up and spat out after the second climb of the hill. Someone told me there was a KOM, so I worked my ass off to be first over the hill on two of the three laps.
Then found out that only the last lap counted. Bummer.

Well done all the DHBC riders.

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Postby mikesbytes » 31 May 2010, 21:04

Scratch results are up for the first 2 females and the first 66 males.

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... /10134.htm

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Postby Strawburger » 01 Jun 2010, 09:49

Scratch results are up for the first 2 females and the first 66 males.

http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/cy_nsw/ra ... /10134.htm
Looks like it's been taken down?

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Postby christian » 02 Jun 2010, 09:37

I had a fairly good race, I started in the same bunch as James and Matt. This bunch was working well at the start, we caught all the bunched in front of us and didn't get caught by scratch until the send. It all stopped working at some point, we were down to 30km/h, which is why we got caught, I know I was tired and doing less work then I should have been. I was almost dropped at one of the turn arounds when the front of the bunch decided to kick and drop all the people not working. James killed himself to help me get back on, but it almost killed me getting back on the bunch, had to leap frog dropped riders. At around the 70km mark I started to feel a bit tired, my legs started to cramp when I got out of the saddle, so climbing hills wasn't so good. I got dropped at around 6km to go when scratch came past on a hill, I just didn't have it in me. When I got to the top I though I may get back on, but that wasn't going to happen. I still managed to come in around 25th.

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Postby timyone » 02 Jun 2010, 11:05

man vic, dont stress about it, at cootamundra this year, every time we reached a biggish hill, i went back a grade :D i was a scratchy after 20 or 30km :D the race was 80 or so, and i didnt actually make the cut off that they posted for an early turn around, but they were nice to me and let me ride it alone :D

It seems that its really hard to get fit enough to do a road race, but then its a different ball game for any one within the level that is, or knows how to be some how?! look at james fowler?! he kills me in road races 90 percent of the time, and is never fit?@!

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Postby orphic » 02 Jun 2010, 13:19

I think there is a genetic component to it. Look at our top finishers - Matt, Christian and James. They're all classic endurance build. The rest of us have to train to get there, but if we can then maybe it means we can beat them in the sprint! ;)

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Postby weiyun » 02 Jun 2010, 13:30

I think there is a genetic component to it. Look at our top finishers - Matt, Christian and James. They're all classic endurance build. The rest of us have to train to get there, but if we can then maybe it means we can beat them in the sprint! ;)
Ask them of their age and annual mileage... :wink:

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Postby orphic » 02 Jun 2010, 13:37

I would guess that when Tim is actually training, he is doing more than Christian and James at least. I don't know about Matt. So there has to be a genetic component that is the limiter.

Heck, I do more k's than Christian and I just seem to get slower :D

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Postby timyone » 02 Jun 2010, 14:00

i havent really been training, definitely nothing on the road. Thats why i pulled out of the race on sunday, well that and i had a dance, then a party, then it was 5 in the morning, and i was like hmmnnn i dont really want to turn up to get dropped every time we do a hill.

But yeah, ive been doing every thing but ride a bike until saturday. Ive done some rollers now :) im getting more into weights that will make me more impressive at swing dancing :D

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Postby timyone » 02 Jun 2010, 14:05

lol my annual looks a lot more impressive than im riding, ive done one or two thousand (i cant remember how many)km's this year, but they were all stopped when i started uni, i was riding all summer holidays pretty much, but its all gone now :D James has got the opposite stats in km's, but whos going to win out of me and him in a road race at the moment? i dont even know if he does any training between races most of the time!

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Postby weiyun » 02 Jun 2010, 17:16

Heck, I do more k's than Christian and I just seem to get slower :D
Endurance and other attributes takes years to consolidate, and how long have you been actively cycling? You should be happy with what you have achieved to date.

No deny that genetics play a part in terms of what one can ultimately achieve, but I doubt any one has hit that threshold in the low k amateur ranks. Of course, there's the XX vs XY factor in your comparison... Testosterone helps. ;)

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Postby T-Bone » 02 Jun 2010, 17:34

What i've got behind me is years of riding. It doesn't take much to get some form back if you've been there previously. As for my training, i'm working on my motivation at the moment, but when i race, i always seem to find the little bit extra.

Anyway, you can't be too dissapointed. I'm pretty sure it took me a few years to get out of limit, or finish the race in the front bunch. You just have to keep trying and you'll slowly improve.

For those looking for another good road race to do. I reccommend Mudgee which is coming up in July.

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Postby micklan » 02 Jun 2010, 19:10

I think there is a genetic component to it. Look at our top finishers - Matt, Christian and James. They're all classic endurance build. The rest of us have to train to get there, but if we can then maybe it means we can beat them in the sprint! ;)
Yeah Vic - as discussed with u in the start/finish carpark waiting for Mike C to finish to return my car keys - (Mike said he would do 1 lap and decided then to ride the whole race). And everyone's car keys were in my car and Mike had my keys - that being said...

I commute on my fixie to and from work 30kms max, (4 days a week) and do the sunday training ride. But the commute has helped a lot. I have no real tangible endurance for this kind of road race, but can ride a crit and sprint...I did better that two years ago, when in my first Dinnerville I got dropped on 1st lap. I'm happy I did better this time. And btw knowing the course is an advantage and experience road racing is an advantage, a good bunch is an advantage. BTW I have no idea of Wallman's secret training regime :idea:

So I would say well done Orphic :P

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Postby weiyun » 02 Jun 2010, 19:18

BTW I have no idea of Wallman's secret training regime :idea:
It's a 5 lettered word... And clever application of that. :wink:

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Postby T-Bone » 02 Jun 2010, 19:23

It's a 5 lettered word... And clever application of that. :wink:
No secret training regime, it's called a "New Bike"!!!

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Postby micklan » 02 Jun 2010, 19:27

No secret training regime, it's called a "New Bike"!!!
Thats 2 words and 7 letters

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Postby mikesbytes » 02 Jun 2010, 19:32

I think there is a genetic component to it. Look at our top finishers - Matt, Christian and James. They're all classic endurance build. The rest of us have to train to get there, but if we can then maybe it means we can beat them in the sprint! ;)
It's just not about K's, I don't do that many nowadays but I'm quicker than when I did do K's and I was still in there with Christian and James. As Alex Simmons would state, train smarter not harder.

At Comamatra last year I was dropped after 5k, **it happens.
Yeah Vic - as discussed with u in the start/finish carpark waiting for Mike C to finish to return my car keys - (Mike said he would do 1 lap and decided then to ride the whole race). And everyone's car keys were in my car and Mike had my keys - that being said...
Sorry about that, I thought 1 lap was being optimistic.

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Postby micklan » 02 Jun 2010, 20:30

Where r the photos of this event - there was a photographer of two on top of hill i think

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Postby wallman » 02 Jun 2010, 21:09

No secret training regime, it's called a "New Bike"!!!
The new bike is hot as, and I do have the p-o-w-e-r, but if I had 5 letters to sum up my approach they'd spell 'a plan'. That's the reason I haven't ridden with the fasties on a Sunday since March - not because they make fun of my hairy legs. I don't do as many k's as some but every k is in its right place, and at the right pace. For me at the moment that pace is relatively slow - I'm still in base training and my full racing form is 3.5 months away! Are you reading this, whoever put me in A grade for the Cervelo Series this coming weekend!!!!

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 02 Jun 2010, 21:48

[quote="wallman] Are you reading this, whoever put me in A grade for the Cervelo Series this coming weekend!!!![/quote]

Shouldn't complain Mr State champion!!! It is a Masters event and you are the no.1 the State in your age group over 4kms....

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Postby mikesbytes » 02 Jun 2010, 22:21

[quote="wallman] Are you reading this, whoever put me in A grade for the Cervelo Series this coming weekend!!!!
Shouldn't complain Mr State champion!!! It is a Masters event and you are the no.1 the State in your age group over 4kms....[/quote][/quote]

Looking down the start list, of course Matt would be in A grade. I'd be lucky to squeeze into B grade myself.

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Postby mikesbytes » 02 Jun 2010, 22:30

Handicap results are up, only down to 67th
20th Wallman
34th Lees
38th Fowler
39th Clement
52nd Vesty
60th Chidgey
65th Chubb
66th Armishaw

James, when did you overtake me, I thought you were behind me?

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Postby christian » 03 Jun 2010, 08:18

How did James record a time when he was a DNF. If only I could have stayed with the bunch I may have done a lot better.

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Postby T-Bone » 03 Jun 2010, 16:39

It's because they used the electronic results i think. I didn't bother going down the hill the last time, and stopped to let the bunches past as they turned towards the finish, but the didn't remove me from the results even though i didn't go down the finish chute and said i was a DNF.

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Postby weiyun » 03 Jun 2010, 18:31

It's because they used the electronic results i think. I didn't bother going down the hill the last time, and stopped to let the bunches past as they turned towards the finish, but the didn't remove me from the results even though i didn't go down the finish chute and said i was a DNF.
Same situation as me 2 years ago. I think Lindsay or someone had to contact CNSW to remove me from the finisher list. :roll:

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Postby geoff m » 04 Jun 2010, 08:25

It's because they used the electronic results i think. I didn't bother going down the hill the last time, and stopped to let the bunches past as they turned towards the finish, but the didn't remove me from the results even though i didn't go down the finish chute and said i was a DNF.
You rode through the shute and I rode on the outside of the shute at the same time.......... I saw ya!!!!! :evil: :twisted:

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Postby geoff m » 04 Jun 2010, 08:32

Point of clarification.

I was standing next to Weiyun looking at the finish (thanks to Al's lift back to the finish line) and knew there was an electronic tag because I was standing next to it. So I took care not to register my great ride by riding around it with my bike....but as James says, as riders rolled in, whether still in the race or not, they would pass over the line and be registered with the new electronic tags on their front wheels.

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Postby Karzie » 04 Jun 2010, 08:47

RFIDs are usually proximity sensitive. ie they're not focused. I expect that just standing next to it would allow it to detect your presence.

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Postby weiyun » 04 Jun 2010, 09:44

I was standing next to Weiyun looking at the finish (thanks to Al's lift back to the finish line) and knew there was an electronic tag because I was standing next to it. So I took care not to register my great ride by riding around it with my bike....but as James says, as riders rolled in, whether still in the race or not, they would pass over the line and be registered with the new electronic tags on their front wheels.
I rode back to the finish line and one of the marshall directed me through the car parking area around the electronic mat when I was all ready to do a pistolero salute a la Contador... Why didn't they believe I was the first one home I would never know?!? :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Postby weiyun » 04 Jun 2010, 09:47

RFIDs are usually proximity sensitive. ie they're not focused. I expect that just standing next to it would allow it to detect your presence.
For the identical electromagnetic pattern along the length of the finishing mat, it'd be good enough for ID tags all coming in from the same direction, at the same height.


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