RAW 2014
and in case your stuck in Brisbane with you track bike, they are running a winter series every fortnight which started on the 16th May
http://www.velodromeshop.net/index.php? ... d=vsevents
Colin
http://www.velodromeshop.net/index.php? ... d=vsevents
Colin
RAW starts this Friday! Woohoo!
The RAW forum is at http://www.rawtrack.com.au/ From there you can find links to general info explanations of the races, the points system etc.
Other possibly useful info for newbies.
You need a race licence to enter
You get 4 different races each week in your chosen division.
Arrive by 6pm to get signed in and to have a chance to warm up
If you've never raced on Dunc Gray or equivalent, you must? race in the novice division for at least the first week.
Last year, the juniors on restricted gearing mostly raced separate from the adults in division 5 (they had to split the field because of numbers)
Finishes around 9.30pm
There is a personal points tally over the 13 weeks
There is a club points competition which DHBC has won for the last few years
There's usually a big DHBC contingent and a great atmosphere!
The draft program is
Bring it!
The RAW forum is at http://www.rawtrack.com.au/ From there you can find links to general info explanations of the races, the points system etc.
Other possibly useful info for newbies.
You need a race licence to enter
You get 4 different races each week in your chosen division.
Arrive by 6pm to get signed in and to have a chance to warm up
If you've never raced on Dunc Gray or equivalent, you must? race in the novice division for at least the first week.
Last year, the juniors on restricted gearing mostly raced separate from the adults in division 5 (they had to split the field because of numbers)
Finishes around 9.30pm
There is a personal points tally over the 13 weeks
There is a club points competition which DHBC has won for the last few years
There's usually a big DHBC contingent and a great atmosphere!
The draft program is
Bring it!
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I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?
1 Dulwich Hill 236
2 Lidcombe 168
1 Dulwich Hill 236
2 Lidcombe 168
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I've just worked it out; you, Trouty, and Lizanne are doing this:
There's only 2 short people in that picture so I can see where your calculation skills come from. lizannes now with Stg, but you've just declared war with all the DHBC shorties! Be careful out on the track BFV, midgets can be lethal. Be afraid...be very afraid!I've just worked it out; you, Trouty, and Lizanne are doing this:
Nah - only one novice last week but more are threatening to come. There's a few DHBC members who don't wear the DHBC jersey (or sit in the same area) so counting jerseys might not work. Then there was Sarah Zanzi and Ruby taking the trifecta in one race - that helps.I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?
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Don't worry BFV, I'll join you in B grade in a couple of weeks when I finish up working on Friday nightsI counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?
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Bloody secret agents, trying to look normal and fit in with the humans.Nah - only one novice last week but more are threatening to come. There's a few DHBC members who don't wear the DHBC jersey (or sit in the same area) so counting jerseys might not work. Then there was Sarah Zanzi and Ruby taking the trifecta in one race - that helps.
This week’s Program
• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 no race (wheel-races run at best every second week pending sponsor)
• Round 3 Win’n’Out
• Round 4 Div 5 Scratch Race, Div 4-2 Madi-Lead Div 1 Madison
• Round 5 Combines + Time Blaster 8:45 for $50
Blue indicates Series Points scoring rounds
Explain these races
Win’N’ Out This is the opposite of a Miss’N’Out race. After a designated number of laps a whistle is blown for the first sprint. The winner of the first sprint is deemed the winner of the race and allowed to carefully withdraw from the race. Each proceeding lap sprint will produce the consecutive places from 2nd to 4th. Tip if you go for a sprint make sure you win it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28iqHThZ ... re=channel
Madilead- The pace in this race is set by a Madison team (see Madison). The bunch follows the Madison team for ??laps until, with 5 laps remaining the Madison leaders take off leaving the bunch to sought out the winner in scratch race style finish. The Idea of this race is to allow the lower grades to experience following a Madison change (which is a key skill in learning to ride a madison). The pace of this race can often change with the experienced leaders putting in a few hard attacks to stir up the bunch.
Madison- A high speed, two person continuous race relay. Think of tag team wrestling meets track cycling - while one partner is racing the other is resting at the top of the track. This race is named after Madison Square Garden in New York where the event was first held. Two man teams contest the event, which is typically an endurance event. Only one rider from each team is allowed in the race at a given time, meaning that teams must take it in turn each lap (or more) to have a rider in the race. Changeovers are quite dangerous, but impressive to watch when done well - one rider circles around waiting for his teammate, who joins hands and imparts his momentum to the slower rider. At RAW Track we usually ride this on a scratch race format reference http://www.cyclingnews.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XZ4_QbZ ... re=channel
Note $50 for time blaster. (No sponsor)
• The time blaster prize and jack-pot in 2014 is only $50
• In the past it has always been $100 but this year we have no sponsor.
• If a sponsor wants to pop in $300 we can go back to $100 per Time Blaster
• The (insert name) Time Blaster
Non Madison
• Div 1 riders who are not riding the madison are invited to ride the Div 2 Madi-Lead
• Whilst results will be recorded, only the top 4 div 2 riders will receive points towards the overall series.
• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 no race (wheel-races run at best every second week pending sponsor)
• Round 3 Win’n’Out
• Round 4 Div 5 Scratch Race, Div 4-2 Madi-Lead Div 1 Madison
• Round 5 Combines + Time Blaster 8:45 for $50
Blue indicates Series Points scoring rounds
Explain these races
Win’N’ Out This is the opposite of a Miss’N’Out race. After a designated number of laps a whistle is blown for the first sprint. The winner of the first sprint is deemed the winner of the race and allowed to carefully withdraw from the race. Each proceeding lap sprint will produce the consecutive places from 2nd to 4th. Tip if you go for a sprint make sure you win it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28iqHThZ ... re=channel
Madilead- The pace in this race is set by a Madison team (see Madison). The bunch follows the Madison team for ??laps until, with 5 laps remaining the Madison leaders take off leaving the bunch to sought out the winner in scratch race style finish. The Idea of this race is to allow the lower grades to experience following a Madison change (which is a key skill in learning to ride a madison). The pace of this race can often change with the experienced leaders putting in a few hard attacks to stir up the bunch.
Madison- A high speed, two person continuous race relay. Think of tag team wrestling meets track cycling - while one partner is racing the other is resting at the top of the track. This race is named after Madison Square Garden in New York where the event was first held. Two man teams contest the event, which is typically an endurance event. Only one rider from each team is allowed in the race at a given time, meaning that teams must take it in turn each lap (or more) to have a rider in the race. Changeovers are quite dangerous, but impressive to watch when done well - one rider circles around waiting for his teammate, who joins hands and imparts his momentum to the slower rider. At RAW Track we usually ride this on a scratch race format reference http://www.cyclingnews.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XZ4_QbZ ... re=channel
Note $50 for time blaster. (No sponsor)
• The time blaster prize and jack-pot in 2014 is only $50
• In the past it has always been $100 but this year we have no sponsor.
• If a sponsor wants to pop in $300 we can go back to $100 per Time Blaster
• The (insert name) Time Blaster
Non Madison
• Div 1 riders who are not riding the madison are invited to ride the Div 2 Madi-Lead
• Whilst results will be recorded, only the top 4 div 2 riders will receive points towards the overall series.
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1 Dulwich Hill 512
2 Lidcombe 485
Red everywhere...but we're getting closer.
2 Lidcombe 485
Red everywhere...but we're getting closer.
Ok... So over the last two weeks 2 people have said the background music isn't up to scratch. Hence if two people say it that means 20 people are thinking it.
Music has always been a topic for discussion and abuse. So lets put it out there.
Step 1:Create a themed play list to last at least 2 1/2 hours
Step 2: email me pcraft@vtown.com.au by the Tuesday prior to the coming Friday.
Step 3: create a codename for your music: "DHBC Hipsters" or "Generation Y" so on, so on........ Your code name must identify with you somehow. That is you can not hide behind this codename.
Step 4: Put it on a device and "BRING IT" we will play it.
Each week in the "This Week" Post I will announce who is the guest DJ.
Some basic rules
1. Minimal swearing (does not rule out isolated bad language)
2. No racist or hate based music (and the like)
3. Please be mindful of the broad spectrum of people RAW attracts
4. All other music is welcome unless it falls into the category of country or western, I hate that *censored*!
Music has always been a topic for discussion and abuse. So lets put it out there.
Step 1:Create a themed play list to last at least 2 1/2 hours
Step 2: email me pcraft@vtown.com.au by the Tuesday prior to the coming Friday.
Step 3: create a codename for your music: "DHBC Hipsters" or "Generation Y" so on, so on........ Your code name must identify with you somehow. That is you can not hide behind this codename.
Step 4: Put it on a device and "BRING IT" we will play it.
Each week in the "This Week" Post I will announce who is the guest DJ.
Some basic rules
1. Minimal swearing (does not rule out isolated bad language)
2. No racist or hate based music (and the like)
3. Please be mindful of the broad spectrum of people RAW attracts
4. All other music is welcome unless it falls into the category of country or western, I hate that *censored*!
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Yes, you will need a gold license to be able to race. As Noel said you'll have to do that through the cycling Aus website. I believe 6 month licenses are now available for the remainder of this year, so it should cost you less than normal.Am intending on going out tonight - do I do my license upgrade from silver to gold there?
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1 Dulwich Hill 938
2 Lidcombe 822
68 -> 27 ->116?
To console myself, I've been working on a playlist. Since it has to be representative of me, I was going to start with "Meat is Murder", but The Smiths are way too hipster for a suburban boy like me.
So I thought I'd go for a complete slam poetry theme. Do you think I should start with this?
http://youtu.be/cAMM-pZLXyQ
2 Lidcombe 822
68 -> 27 ->116?
To console myself, I've been working on a playlist. Since it has to be representative of me, I was going to start with "Meat is Murder", but The Smiths are way too hipster for a suburban boy like me.
So I thought I'd go for a complete slam poetry theme. Do you think I should start with this?
http://youtu.be/cAMM-pZLXyQ
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1 Dulwich Hill 1322
2 Lidcombe 1075
2 Lidcombe 1075
3 Illawarra 537
2 Lidcombe 1075
2 Lidcombe 1075
3 Illawarra 537
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Looks like I can continue to kick back on Friday nights
Not a bad total for Illawarra, its a bit of a drive
Not a bad total for Illawarra, its a bit of a drive
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I'll work with anyone to beat a Dulwich Hill rider, even another Dulwich Hill rider.
"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
—Jens Voigt's philosophy about breakaways.
"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
—Jens Voigt's philosophy about breakaways.
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1 Dulwich Hill 2350
2 Lidcombe 1890
But the gap has reduced, slightly.
2 Lidcombe 1890
But the gap has reduced, slightly.
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26 points?
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1 Dulwich Hill 2678
2 Lidcombe 2047
I've given up. See you in the finals.
2 Lidcombe 2047
I've given up. See you in the finals.
Some great photos from RAW last week at http://www.ridingfocus.com/blog/2014/8/ ... t-rawtrack
http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,737.0.htmlTeams Night tonight! That means your race points go towards your team and the team points decide the draw for the Italian comp at the end of the night. Your team's italian pursuit placing determines the bonus points added to your TWE total. Confusing? Ah well, it's a chance to get to know riders from other clubs.
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Not happening. We have several people out with the flu, including me. I may miss my first night of RAW for 5 years. I'm not happy about it.C'mon you LACC mob! Don't give up now - there's still 4 weeks to go.
Get 25 extra people to turn up each night and you'll be in with a chance. Even if they don't actually win anything.
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Bummer mate, take care
This week at RAW there's a wheel race , 1.5 lap screamers, a Poker Race, and $150 for the time blaster http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,740.0.html
Only 4 weeks left until the finals night on 12 September - still time join the fun
Only 4 weeks left until the finals night on 12 September - still time join the fun
More great photos by Joshua Nicholson of last week's RAW at raw-track-week-10. He's happy for anyone to use the images for personal use and repost with crediting but I also noticed a donate button at the bottom of the page if you feel moved that way.
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2 Lidcombe 2269
I'll do anything to stop DHBC getting points.
2 Lidcombe 2269
I'll do anything to stop DHBC getting points.
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Well, it looks like it's LACC vs DHBC in the final ride off. Numbers are irrelevant at this point.
1 Dulwich Hill - Who Cares?
2 Lidcombe - Not quite as much.
See you on the final night.
1 Dulwich Hill - Who Cares?
2 Lidcombe - Not quite as much.
See you on the final night.
Second last week at RAW has a wheel race, kierans, and a Crafty special - a miss n out with extras!
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With the upcoming ride off for the club championships, the truth can finally be revealed about your club.
Watch this video:
http://youtu.be/8lCnPzSkeT0
Shots fired!
See you on the boards on Friday night.
(Sorry for the bad sound and slight synching problems near the end. I have the ideas, but don't have the technical experience or time to make it perfect)
Watch this video:
http://youtu.be/8lCnPzSkeT0
Shots fired!
See you on the boards on Friday night.
(Sorry for the bad sound and slight synching problems near the end. I have the ideas, but don't have the technical experience or time to make it perfect)
BFV - that is wonderful!
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Our team for Friday night.
Female – Zanzi Hocknell
Female 40+ Jo Troutman
U17 – Bro Caley
U19 – Tom Clarke
35+ Eleri Morgan Thomas
45+ John Caley
Open – James Fowler
Open – Ben Fox
Open – Michael Chidgey
Open – Alex Chubb
Reserves: Sarah Harvey & Eric McDonald
Female – Zanzi Hocknell
Female 40+ Jo Troutman
U17 – Bro Caley
U19 – Tom Clarke
35+ Eleri Morgan Thomas
45+ John Caley
Open – James Fowler
Open – Ben Fox
Open – Michael Chidgey
Open – Alex Chubb
Reserves: Sarah Harvey & Eric McDonald
great night at RAW planned
http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,750.0.html
http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,750.0.html
That video is hilarious!
I just got back from my trip to the Apple Store:
I had a nice chat with the Genius(TM) there about the finer points of beard grooming, and he showed me how to crunch some numbers on my brand new MacBook Air.
Anxious to try my newfound skillz (and not a moment before I put a mustache sticker on the Apple logo), I downloaded the RAW points spreadsheet and did some crunching just like the Genius(TM) taught me, which I am now able to upload thanks to this unprotected WiFi network I found near my cardboard box in St. Peters.
They show that even if a metric was used that didn't advantage the club due to attendance, we would still be sitting well ahead of LACC. Once you take the attendance points out, our average number of points won per rider (17.5) is a fair bit higher than theirs (13.182):
Here's the whole table:
I tried to upload the entire points spreadsheet as JSON but it said I'm not sufficiently hip to post a message that long. If anyone is interested, I'll snapgram it to your whatsbook.
In the past few years we've won the club championships at RAW purely due to weight of numbers
I just got back from my trip to the Apple Store:
I had a nice chat with the Genius(TM) there about the finer points of beard grooming, and he showed me how to crunch some numbers on my brand new MacBook Air.
Anxious to try my newfound skillz (and not a moment before I put a mustache sticker on the Apple logo), I downloaded the RAW points spreadsheet and did some crunching just like the Genius(TM) taught me, which I am now able to upload thanks to this unprotected WiFi network I found near my cardboard box in St. Peters.
They show that even if a metric was used that didn't advantage the club due to attendance, we would still be sitting well ahead of LACC. Once you take the attendance points out, our average number of points won per rider (17.5) is a fair bit higher than theirs (13.182):
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Pos Club Riders Pts Avg Pts no base Avg no base
1 Penrith 8 773 96.625 213 26.625
7 Dulwich Hill 40 3770 94.250 700 17.500
11 Lidcombe 33 2625 79.545 435 13.182
Here's the whole table:
Code: Select all
Pos Club Riders Pts Avg Pts no base Avg no base
1 Penrith 8 773 96.625 213 26.625
2 St George 14 1460 104.286 370 26.429
3 Sutherland 4 438 109.500 98 24.500
4 Bicisport 10 904 90.400 214 21.400
5 Illawarra 16 1457 91.062 327 20.438
6 Parramatta 9 930 103.333 170 18.889
7 Dulwich Hill 40 3770 94.250 700 17.500
8 Vikings 3 250 83.333 50 16.667
9 SUVelo 10 872 87.200 162 16.200
10 Southern Cross 10 740 74.000 160 16.000
11 Lidcombe 33 2625 79.545 435 13.182
12 Peloton Sports 2 205 102.500 25 12.500
13 Australian DF 6 453 75.500 73 12.167
14 Canberra 7 471 67.286 71 10.143
15 Randwick Botany 9 606 67.333 86 9.556
16 Hunter Dist 17 950 55.882 140 8.235
17 Harliquin 1 87 87.000 7 7.000
18 Northern Sydney 12 773 64.417 83 6.917
19 Bankstown 7 346 49.429 46 6.571
20 Marconi 4 146 36.500 26 6.500
21 Goulburn 3 219 73.000 19 6.333
22 Central Coast 13 709 54.538 79 6.077
23 Tamworth 3 168 56.000 18 6.000
24 Manly 4 234 58.500 24 6.000
25 ANU 6 285 47.500 35 5.833
26 Muswellbrook 4 183 45.750 23 5.750
27 Waratah 7 356 50.857 36 5.143
28 Armadale 1 35 35.000 5 5.000
29 TBC 1 35 35.000 5 5.000
30 Southern Highlands 5 208 41.600 18 3.600
31 Hobart Wheelers 1 33 33.000 3 3.000
32 Nowra Velo 1 52 52.000 2 2.000
33 Uni QLD 1 32 32.000 2 2.000
34 FCC 1 42 42.000 2 2.000
35 Coffs Harbour 1 32 32.000 2 2.000
36 Manning Valley 1 32 32.000 2 2.000
37 Eastern Suburbs 2 73 36.500 3 1.500
38 Kooragang 3 164 54.667 4 1.333
39 South Australia 1 31 31.000 1 1.000
40 Scottland 1 31 31.000 1 1.000
41 Bathurst 2 61 30.500 1 0.500
42 Day 9 321 35.667 1 0.111
43 BMX Aus 1 40 40.000 0 0.000
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An interesting analysis. Please re-analyse to rank clubs by average weight and see where you are then.
(Actually, a couple of guys from SUVelo and Parra were talking to me about the club points and suggested that this sort of analysis should determine the club championships. It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.)
(Actually, a couple of guys from SUVelo and Parra were talking to me about the club points and suggested that this sort of analysis should determine the club championships. It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.)
Trying to choke back the tears as the spoon goes back into the tub of ice cream for the last of the melted dregs.An interesting analysis. Please re-analyse to rank clubs by average weight and see where you are then.
You're absolutely right, I hadn't considered that. You can see exactly what you describe up the top of the table. There would be a perverse penalty for getting more riders along to have a go, which seems like it would be contrary to the spirit of the whole occasion.It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.
I don't really think it should be done by average points per rider anyway, it was just a stupid metric specifically crafted to convey a smug sense of hipster superiority. I had a bit of a pow wow with the data scientist at work trying to find some really clever ways to (mis)represent the data to further the DHBC cause, but unfortunately everything else that we came up with just made LACC look good. Naturally, that spreadsheet was promptly deleted
Nice work with tonight's video too, that was a total cack!
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Thanks blah, whoever you are. I encourage you to have a good look at the data and a think about a model for a better points system. I've got it on the back burner in my head and I suspect something will pop up while I'm on my morning commute. The model needs to encourage participation and attendance, but it also needs to give smaller clubs some recognition without making a mockery of the club concept by allowing "clubs" of 1 or 2 gun riders to win the championships. The ride off at the end, a great spectacle I'm sure you'll agree, is a good moderating mechanism and encourages broad participation from a club in the RAW season, but LACC is the biggest club in the state and we have difficulty in putting up the breadth of riders required! We also saw last night how even that moderating mechanism can be "gamed" with your 4 div 1 riders against our predominantly div 4 and 3 riders. The first few riders in the Italian were having a close race, then it became lopsided very quickly.You're absolutely right, I hadn't considered that. You can see exactly what you describe up the top of the table. There would be a perverse penalty for getting more riders along to have a go, which seems like it would be contrary to the spirit of the whole occasion.
I don't really think it should be done by average points per rider anyway, it was just a stupid metric specifically crafted to convey a smug sense of hipster superiority. I had a bit of a pow wow with the data scientist at work trying to find some really clever ways to (mis)represent the data to further the DHBC cause, but unfortunately everything else that we came up with just made LACC look good. Naturally, that spreadsheet was promptly deleted
Nice work with tonight's video too, that was a total cack!
It's an interesting problem and something worth having a good think about. I might write it up and set it as an assignment in my critical thinking lecture for semester 1 next year. Maybe I can crowd source an answer. Anyway, thinking hat off, hipster suck etc. Happy to have a chat about this one day over a soy latte.
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Yes, I would really like to mock people who have no sense of humour and who do professional violent things to people. Moreover, I don' t think that "satire" is a word that fans of this particular "sport" understand outside of describing parts of a car.Great job throughout the series BFV!
I'm surprised Rockhold or Bisping haven't hired you to do their fight promotion yet.
See you RAW 2015!
Thanks for the props. See you next year. I love that I can insult you guys every week for two season and you thank me for it at the end.
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