White Dirt Road ride in Bowral/Picton area 25/26 May

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Postby marc2131 » 07 May 2013, 08:53

Hi all

The DHBC ‘Valley Wheelers’ are going to hold a ‘bianchi strada’ (white road) ride on Saturday 25th and Sunday 26th May.

This is part of a reconnaissance for an larger ride the ‘Valley Wheelers’ plan to hold next year. We will be purposely looking for and testing rideable dirt roads in the Bowral and Picton area.

This ride is being led by Lizanne.

Lizanne and a friend plan to start on Saturday 25th May and will spend the night at the Imperial Hotel, Bowral. Am told there is room for four.

On Sunday (26th) morning, we roll out at 8am, lunch in Picton and finish off doing a celebratory lap at the Bowral velodrome.

The pace will be steady but not slow. Will keep to a 25kmph pace.

Lizanne is presently overseas but should be back after the 12th May. She will be able to answer questions.

I don’t believe people are obliged to go for the whole 2 days. I for one, plan to train in on Sunday morning only.

Any takers? Shall we start another list?

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Postby humanbeing » 07 May 2013, 13:32

Definitely interested.
Going to have a look at train timetables.
Peter Bownes

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Postby 2Tyred » 07 May 2013, 21:52

If I may join you. JUst days ago I was reliving my Hunter Valley sojourn

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Postby Johnj » 07 May 2013, 23:26

Looks like time for a list.

1. Lizanne (staying at Bowral)
2. Maddy (staying at Bowral)
3. Marc (train)
4. Peter B
5. Andy
6. JohnJ (probably can't stay overnight as Kraftwerk are in town)

The total ride is 140km, but the route parallels the railway and loops back on itself, so plenty of opportunity for doing a shorter segment.

Route via .

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Postby utopia » 08 May 2013, 14:26

Hmmm, any idea what sort of dirt roads are these? And what sort of bikes will be ideal for them?
I dont think my commuter has forgiven me for the Lady Carrington effort yet...

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Postby marc2131 » 09 May 2013, 07:29

I am confident they won't be as bad as the Lady Carrington Rd track. If it is, there are several escape routes home. I believe Lizanne has detailed maps.

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Postby humanbeing » 09 May 2013, 11:26

Trains for Sunday morning 26th May
Early ride start might be problematic if we catch the train
6.04am depart Campbelltown arrive Bowral 7.14am
7.14am depart Central, depart Wolli Ck 7.36am
8.36am depart Campbelltown arrive Bowral 9.47am
City rail suggest getting the night bus N30 to Campbelltown to catch the 6.04am train to Bowral

With thanks to James Rodgers - John here's an article about Kraftwerk which mentions the cycling passion which may have contributed to the break up of the band.
Have a great ride,
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Postby marc2131 » 09 May 2013, 12:16

Great article, lovely read.

Re. our travel arrangements. Reaching Bowral at 10am is rather late. Lizanne, would you and Maddy mind waiting that long?

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Postby humanbeing » 09 May 2013, 13:25

I'm happy to drive to Bowral early Sunday and can fit one passenger and bicycle in the car.
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Postby 2Tyred » 11 May 2013, 20:15

Likewise to HB above, driving. I'm flexi to arrive on Sat'y arvo on Sund'y mornin'. I have space for 3 ppl and 10 + bikes, Extra cab ute = many bikes in mine + riders in another car. For ' ME ' , Sat'y is prefered, accom' will need to be arranged if staying for the night. Of course train is another option, as above. Drive time to Bowral is approx' 1.5 hrs each way from the city centre, less of course if ya inner/mid' west. Coffee supplied to the driver is obliglartory ;)
Reply here or John J has my #.

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Postby Lizanne » 14 May 2013, 18:06

Hey guys I'm alive!

the ride is fairly long and will take all day. i totally recommend an early roll out.
also the dirt roads are more packed clay. with 1 that is optional. there is a paved road about 15m parallel to the dirt. and if you are really afraid of some gravel, you can climb razorback instead of old razorback, although there will be more traffic

here is the map (and the details)

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/198859794

as proposed. people wanting to do 140km can do this.
options for shorter rides are:
1. turn at Picton just after the bridge in the picture (-34.185722,150.606388 have picnic in Bridge St reserve, might need to keep an eye out for a cafe)
2. go up old razorback, and back down again Via Mount Hercules rd/ remembrance drive
The way it is the dirt (hard packed clay ) are here -34.276581,150.524783 East parade, with options of doing lots, little, or none (road runs paralelle to Wilson Drive, with many entrances) and here -34.149211,150.664823 and the river crossing is here -34.417097,150.470422 (pending water)
All the roads are quiet, and the sections of the old Hume highway are perfectly fine for a easy trundle.
The plan is to Stay in Bowral Saturday night (25th) and try out the Imperial hotel (unless someone has a better idea) and roll out in the morning. lunch in Picton, and finish in the velodrome in the afternoon.

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Postby marc2131 » 14 May 2013, 21:49

Sorry guys, I'm out.
Don't think my road tyres can take gravelly roads.

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Postby Lizanne » 15 May 2013, 08:27

Old razorback is less than 1km and the road condition is quite smooth. I went down it about a month ago.
You shoul totally come

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Postby marc2131 » 15 May 2013, 09:20

Sorry guys, committed to Waterfall/TT training on Sunday.
Have a great time and take lots of photos.

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Postby 2Tyred » 16 May 2013, 21:10

on reviewing this ride I found this, ...................from 2007. About half way down the page the pics show Lindsay on Old Razorback.
@ Marc. "Any" road bike tyres should handle this surface, exc' pure race of course. It's nothing like LC Dve

@ Peter, if you have a spare seat still and youd like some company in yr car on Sunday let me know or v/v, I'm just as happy to do the drive and take you. Any others need lifting?

Andy 0h417 six78 411

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Postby humanbeing » 16 May 2013, 21:24

Still have a seat in the car and planning to head down to Bowral Sunday morning.
So happy to give you a lift Andy however maybe we should see how others are making their way down as we might have to both drive.
Peter

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Postby Johnj » 22 May 2013, 18:13

Well, my plans for a train trip have been derailled by trackwork between Lidcombe and Liverpool, so looks like I'll have to go by car. Maybe Andy Peter and myself could all go together. Let me know what you think? Anyone else coming?

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Postby humanbeing » 23 May 2013, 08:05

John,
Still keen and weather forecast looks ok for Sunday.
Lizanne wants to start at about 7.30am in Bowral, which means 5.30/6.00 am departure from the inner west.
I've only space for one passenger and bicycle. Andy, you may have to be driver if you can take 3.
And are there any others coming along?
Peter

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Postby Lizanne » 23 May 2013, 16:36

weather is looking fantastic!
here is the final plan for the whole weekend incase anyone wants to ride saturday and not sunday
saturday
7:36- depart wolli Creek Train Station
9:47- arrive bowral
10 ish check into hotel (http://www.beridamanor.com.au/) drop off bags
10:30 on the road doing this loop (bowral to bowral) http://app.strava.com/activities/27383971 but with a pie stop in Robertson for lunch, and (maybe) coffee stop in Sutton Forest.
then back to the hotel for a shower and change.
followed by dinner beer, back to the hotel, sit in the spa/sauna and maybe a cheeky red to finish the night

sunday
wake up, check out, find coffee, meet at train station for 7:30 roll out
ride The Hell of The South http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/198859794. with late breakfast at the Historic george IV inn in Picton on the way back to bowral.
do a lap of the velodrome then look for beer/coffee/food *we can do more stops along the way.
a long late lunch will be in order. the best train out of bowral is 4:08 getting into Sydney @6. the other option is 2. but i want a relaxed lunch. unless someone has space in a car for 2 people plus bikes it look like the train for me.

for everyone coming, please pack lots to eat and plenty of drinks. Also remember a few spare tubes, CO2 or a pump. although i have never had a flat on the dirt roads. i recon now i've mentioned it i will.

it is looking like a double epic this weekend for me and Maddy. can't wait!

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Postby Karzie » 23 May 2013, 17:14

Unfortunately I can't make it this weekend. I would have loved to do the Saturday ride as there's some epic vistas to be had there. Have a good ride everyone!

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Postby 2Tyred » 24 May 2013, 17:35

" unless someone has space in a car for 2 people plus bikes it look like the train for me."

Lizanne, I can take the bikes easily, and squeeeeeeeeeeze another 2 ppl in also, and with the trackwork scheduled, this might b 'the' option. With Stops along the way to stretch and untangle.
Andy

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Postby Peter T » 25 May 2013, 15:14

After a night at the Giro at Marrickville Road Cafe, I'll wend my way South to catch up with you White Roaders at the Bowral Railway by 7.30am.

Looking forward to a day in the sun in the backblocks of the Highlands.

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Postby scully » 25 May 2013, 20:32

This looks cool, can't come but will keep an eye out for the one you are doing the reccy for. Will be geat weather tomorrow. Have fun.

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Postby humanbeing » 26 May 2013, 21:09

Brilliant day!
Thanks for the ride & company John & Maddy
Thanks for the ride, company & lifts Andy & Peter
Thanks for the ride, company & organizing a great day Lizanne.
I need to collapse now :D
Peter

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Postby 2Tyred » 29 May 2013, 18:24

The Hell of the South.....................................it was for me :lol:
Apart from being unfit, overweight, and on a bike not really suited to ride the route chosen, (8spd 13- 23) I thoroughly enjoyed the whole expierence and will do another.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/318684228

Many thanks to Lizanne for organising and thanks Maddy, Peter H, Peter and John J for the great time out on the road. :D


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Postby Karzie » 01 Jun 2013, 16:52

I'm jealous, jealous.

And STILL working on my new side gate. Should've just paid the $5,000 quote and gone riding!

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Postby Johnj » 01 Jun 2013, 23:25

Well I was all set, 2 bidons, some food, pump, spare tubes, patches, multitool, lights. Air in the tyres and I was ready. My gearing was 52-42 on the front and 12-21 on the back, no problems, there weren’t many hills were there?

My rigorous preparation included watching the Giro at the Marrickville Rd Café till 1am, in bed about 1.30 and alarm going off at 5.15am…

Caught a lift with Andy and Peter B and we were in Bowral in time to start breakfast at 7.30. Out of Bowral via a stonking great hill. After Mittagong we flew down the road, maintaining a steady 34-36. The Old Razorback was fine, mostly smooth dirt, and then we were flying again. A wrong turn took us nearly to Campbelltown, where we headed south again. We then had a close encounter with traffic traveling to the Southern Highlands Bogan Muster.

Picton for lunch, and then ….. a bunch of hills. “Who put that bloody hill there?” became my catchcry. I also kept checking my right shift lever in the feeble hope of finding a lower gear. Did I say there were a lot of hills?

The closer we got to Bowral the bigger the hills got. I was grinding my way up at 8-10 kph, cursing my lack of gears. When we got to Bowral, I asked “Where’s the velodrome?” only to be told that the Bowral velodrome is in Burradoo, 5 kms away. Maddy and I rode up and down a street with “Velodrome” signs at either end, but we couldn’t find it (pretty sure I could have found it if it had been marked “hill”).

When the velodrome materialized I did my lap. Then we adjourned to the pub and I pretended I wasn’t completely shattered. A good day out, though I might pay a bit more attention to the ride profile next time. (However MapMyRide showed less than 1100 mtrs of cimbing and Andy’s Garmin showed 1800 mtrs total at the end of the ride)

Lizanne, Queen of the Mountain


Top of Razorback


My bike and Pete's ponder the eternal question of Evolution versus Genesis


"Where's that velodrome got to?"


Peter looking pensive

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Postby humanbeing » 02 Jun 2013, 09:12

Some photos from the ride

It was pretty cold getting set to go in Bowral



Atop Old Razorback



Somewhere on the road to Picton



Lunch at the George VI Hotel in Picton was well earnt and went down a treat



Ride leader Lizanne celebrates a great day with a victory lap of Bowral Velodrome


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Postby Lizanne » 04 Jun 2013, 08:48

i think an 'epic' on monday (with dirt roads!, 2 of them and a water crossing!)

looking something like this http://app.strava.com/athlete/calendar#Apr but thinking about taking out a hill and going via Hill Top.

train leaves wolli creek @ 5:36 for a 6:30 campbelltown roll out.
stops will be coffee @bowral lunch @robertson

i want to be back for track training later that night, so the times on the strava route are what i'll be aiming for

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Postby Lizanne » 04 Jun 2013, 14:07

actually scrap that, i want to ride to newcastle.


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