Stuart doesn't know it yet, but I think Santa will talk him into buying me a new set of Mavic Ksyrium wheels for Christmas. No I don't need them but that is not the point!
At the moment I have the Mavic Aksium which seem to be heavier than the wheels I had on before that were donated to the "Lindsay Spare Parts Association". Anyone got any feedback on these Ksyrium wheels or wether I/santa can get better wheels for the same price.
I can always use the Aksium's for the fixie I might build...you never know.
Mavic Ksyrium Wheels
They are the wheels to have. Lots of people use 'em so someone can give you the rundown. Bill's got a pair, and Weiyun has the ES ones too if you like bling. 
(Who doesn't?)
I've never used them, but I notice that they do really poorly on the aerodynamics tests against just about everything else, so I'd get them for climbing, rather than slicing through the wind...
(Who doesn't?)I've never used them, but I notice that they do really poorly on the aerodynamics tests against just about everything else, so I'd get them for climbing, rather than slicing through the wind...
For the same money, go Fulcrum Racing 3 or 1. They are significantly better buys as far as Shimano compatible factory wheels are concerned. For your reference, Fulcrum is a subsidiary of Campagnolo and their products have equivalent models in Campagnolo's range (R3 = Zonda, R1 = Eurus).
Otherwise I am sure there'll be suggestions for custom wheels. Whether you like that is a personal choice. TWE is a commonly recommended boutique store for these custom wheels and you can spec a variety of bling bling colours.
Finally, have you ever heard of Lew VT-1? It's the perfect match for a Slow Coach. Stuart, did you read this?!? PS. Tiffany rings are cheaper.
Otherwise I am sure there'll be suggestions for custom wheels. Whether you like that is a personal choice. TWE is a commonly recommended boutique store for these custom wheels and you can spec a variety of bling bling colours.
Finally, have you ever heard of Lew VT-1? It's the perfect match for a Slow Coach. Stuart, did you read this?!? PS. Tiffany rings are cheaper.
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It all depends on price really.
Mavic are a good wheel, but they are also very pricey for what you get performance wise. A Ksyrium SL is still just an alloy box rim with bladed spokes, not even that light really. I think you really pay for the name.
Check out the American Classic 420 wheels, they are lighter, cheaper and way more aero, and therefore faster than the ksyriums.
See http://www.amclassic.com/ac2009/pdf/AC_Catalog2009.pdf
also, for the prise of most ksyrium models you could look at a Token carbon wheelset for not much more.
see http://www.tokenproducts.com/htm/products.php
Mavic are a good wheel, but they are also very pricey for what you get performance wise. A Ksyrium SL is still just an alloy box rim with bladed spokes, not even that light really. I think you really pay for the name.
Check out the American Classic 420 wheels, they are lighter, cheaper and way more aero, and therefore faster than the ksyriums.
See http://www.amclassic.com/ac2009/pdf/AC_Catalog2009.pdf
also, for the prise of most ksyrium models you could look at a Token carbon wheelset for not much more.
see http://www.tokenproducts.com/htm/products.php
Kieran, what's your view on AC420's hub reliability? Are you confident that they've fixed that problem for good?
Actually - I am one of those girls that like BLING - So when you relate that to "Tiffany Rings" that means it would have to have a diamond. Therefore, I think Santa (and Stuart) have come to the realisation that BIKE stufff is a much cheaper proposition. Give me bike stuff over jewellery any day.TWE is a commonly recommended boutique store for these custom wheels and you can spec a variety of bling bling colours. Tiffany rings are cheaper.
All these other wheels you recommend - I will check them out....as for us woman a lot of it is about the look as well.
Fulcrum R1/R3 certainly have enough bling. But as it's possible to spec Campag wheels with Shimano compatible freewheel these days, getting that full Campag G3 rear wheel look is also well within your reach.
Note that Fulcrum has the fundamental design of Campag's G3 2:1 spoke ratio (2 spokes on the drive side and 1 on the other so that spoke tension can be more evenly distributed), but just not distributed in G3 pattern.
Note that Fulcrum has the fundamental design of Campag's G3 2:1 spoke ratio (2 spokes on the drive side and 1 on the other so that spoke tension can be more evenly distributed), but just not distributed in G3 pattern.
The rear hub is good now, even the first ones you just needed to swap out a part.Kieran, what's your view on AC420's hub reliability? Are you confident that they've fixed that problem for good?
plus, unlike other wheels with alloy freehub body AC have a deeper spline and steel spacers to save the alloy body from damage, unlike DT or new SRAM wheels which will be cut up pretty quick.
And they now come in pretty white rims with black and red design.
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I've ridden the Fulcrum Zeros (from Kangaroo Valley to Fitzroy Falls and back) and can say that they are super nice. Stiff, light and smooth, but also expensive (~$2k)!
Based on that ride, I thought I might get the cheaper Fulcrum 3s for my new Bundy (they're only $650-700 on PBK). That was until I went and checked them out in a local shop (where they were $1k). I was disappointed - the dust caps were falling off the hub and the freewheel was catching on each revolution (admittedly, could've just been this one).
In the end I decided to avoid the proprietry spoke issue and ordered a set ot TWEs with a 30mm alloy rim, bladed DT spokes and the TWE badged hubs. I picked them up today. They are $1000 and weigh about 1560g without skewers. You can have pretty much any colour you want and are supporting a good, local business.
The hubs spin forever and feel like butter, but I'm yet to ride them - so, we'll see how stiff they are and how long they last. I have pretty high expectations though, judging on the good quality build and components.
Based on that ride, I thought I might get the cheaper Fulcrum 3s for my new Bundy (they're only $650-700 on PBK). That was until I went and checked them out in a local shop (where they were $1k). I was disappointed - the dust caps were falling off the hub and the freewheel was catching on each revolution (admittedly, could've just been this one).
In the end I decided to avoid the proprietry spoke issue and ordered a set ot TWEs with a 30mm alloy rim, bladed DT spokes and the TWE badged hubs. I picked them up today. They are $1000 and weigh about 1560g without skewers. You can have pretty much any colour you want and are supporting a good, local business.
The hubs spin forever and feel like butter, but I'm yet to ride them - so, we'll see how stiff they are and how long they last. I have pretty high expectations though, judging on the good quality build and components.
High end Fulcrums use adjustable Record hubs along with that characteristic Campag freewheel sound, but not sure if Fulcrum R3 is in that league. I know that R5 is back to sealed cartridge bearing. In any case, I suspect that R3 was just poorly put together by the LBS. The only difference b/n R Zero and R1 is just in the weight from additional CF/Ti parts.
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Yeah, they're not.not sure if Fulcrum R3 is in that league.
So - As Jo is riding Shimano Ultegra then I can't use a Campag wheel? Is that right? Torpedo 7 have the 2008 Campag Zonda for $770 till Monday.
Is this a good buy or?
Looks like the Fulcrum 3 is about $900-$1000 and Fulcrum 1 is out of my price range at about $1600. I liked the sound of $1000 hand built wheels but not sure how they would compare to these?
Also American Classic 420 for $650 at Cell
So many questions !
Is this a good buy or?
Looks like the Fulcrum 3 is about $900-$1000 and Fulcrum 1 is out of my price range at about $1600. I liked the sound of $1000 hand built wheels but not sure how they would compare to these?
Also American Classic 420 for $650 at Cell
So many questions !
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My understanding is that you can install a Shimano compatible freehub on Campag wheels. You'll need to factor in a change over price though.So - A Jo is riding Shimano then I can't use a Campag wheel? Is that right Torpedo 7 have the 2008 Campag Zonda for $770 till Monday.
http://www.amazon.com/Campagnolo-10-Spe ... B001FIMZOU
I suspect it would be easiest to source that part from Fulcrum's range if you want to buy it locally. It should be cross-compatible but please double check.
Hold on a minute. Read the following and the story may not be so straight forward for a Zonda.
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... p?p=362442
I would suggest that you double check with a knowledgeable Campag technician eg. Stanmore Cycles.
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... p?p=362442
I would suggest that you double check with a knowledgeable Campag technician eg. Stanmore Cycles.
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Yes I'm pretty sure you can, but there is things you do in cycling and things you just don't & crossing campy with shimano ain't cool on a road bike.My understanding is that you can install a Shimano compatible freehub on Campag wheels. You'll need to factor in a change over price though.
That's just superficiality. Any bit of Campy on a bike is a good thing.Yes I'm pretty sure you can, but there is things you do in cycling and things you just don't & crossing campy with shimano ain't cool on a road bike.
i'm building up a nice, light front wheel for Marian.
American Classic Sprint 350 rim
White Industries H2 hub weight today at 90 gms
Sapim Race Spokes which are about 220gm including nipples for 32. It was either 32h now or a 6 week wait for the 24h
I'll use velo plugs instead of rim tape.
Should be on her bike in time for the saturday ride.
A rear wheel is an extra 140gm
American Classic Sprint 350 rim
White Industries H2 hub weight today at 90 gms
Sapim Race Spokes which are about 220gm including nipples for 32. It was either 32h now or a 6 week wait for the 24h
I'll use velo plugs instead of rim tape.
Should be on her bike in time for the saturday ride.
A rear wheel is an extra 140gm
With the Veloplugs i've found a nice stretched out layer of electrical tape ensures they stay put when changing tubes/tires. That's if the fit isn't completely secure.
Sapim laser (or DT revolution) spokes would have been a bit lighter, but at least the hub is going to be nice.
As for Campy and Shimano, it's just not right mixing them, unless of course you have some Boras and swap to Shimano, which would be acceptable wanting to keep using the wheels and having perfect shifting.
Sapim laser (or DT revolution) spokes would have been a bit lighter, but at least the hub is going to be nice.
As for Campy and Shimano, it's just not right mixing them, unless of course you have some Boras and swap to Shimano, which would be acceptable wanting to keep using the wheels and having perfect shifting.
I didn't think that you could put Shimano Freehubs on Campy wheels since Fulcrum were created.
Fulcrum are pretty much Campy wheels built with a Shimano freehub.
James
Fulcrum are pretty much Campy wheels built with a Shimano freehub.
James
Fulcrum and Campy share the design spec on many components. As a matter of fact, Racing 1 hubs are just Record hubs but for some cosmetic changes.
In case anyone is not yet clear, The Fulcrum brand is purely just a way of Campagnolo being able to sell wheels to users of non Campag (Shimano) shifters , and it's all just marketing. Campag want to keep their flagship brand pure, so if you want to run Fulcrum with Shimano, go right ahead. Parts and conversion kits will be easy to source as Fulcrum branded components. You should be able to specify your desired shifter compatibility when you buy new wheels. If not, ask the seller. Shouldn't be any need to have to pay extra to switch.
Be an individual and set your own style. Do not follow the crowd.As for Campy and Shimano, it's just not right mixing them...
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this is a question of religion
OK - so now it's birthday time for Jo and this time I really am getting her some wheels - they absolutely must have red blade spokes so I'm looking towards the TWE hand built - anyone got anything else to offer in the 1-1.5k range?
Fulcrum Racing Zero has a full set of red spokes, and even red rim.
Price should be at the upper range of your budget. Otherwise do whatever colour you want with TWE. Recently I read some second hand forum reports of problems with TWE's lightweight hubs where a few have cracked. Might be something to discuss carefully if going that route.
Price should be at the upper range of your budget. Otherwise do whatever colour you want with TWE. Recently I read some second hand forum reports of problems with TWE's lightweight hubs where a few have cracked. Might be something to discuss carefully if going that route.
OK - Fulcrum racing Red Zero's for $1789 - is it worth it to add $121 for 2-way fit being both clincher and tubeless? I really have no idea what that means in reality - does anyone use tubeless tyres? Do they cost fortune and are there any real benefits?
http://www.bikedepot.com.au/fulcrum-rac ... p-151.html
http://www.bikedepot.com.au/fulcrum-rac ... p-151.html
How about A$1582 + postage?
http://www.totalcycling.com/index.php/p ... ncy&id=AUD
From what I've read, tubeless is the future and I would think seriously about this future compatibility issue if I was upgrading wheels now. Tubeless allows you to run lighter, lower pressure (no pinch flat to worry about), lower rolling resistance (no tube) and supposedly safer during a puncture (more controlled deflation). The problem right now is that there's a very limited choice of tyres (Hutchinson) for this application. The other bit of concern is whether the design spec for tubeless has been settled. Michelin and Mavic are in partnership to develop their first version of tubeless and supposedly the rim/bead design is a major part of their design effort. One wonders if there'll be a new standard?
http://www.totalcycling.com/index.php/p ... ncy&id=AUD
From what I've read, tubeless is the future and I would think seriously about this future compatibility issue if I was upgrading wheels now. Tubeless allows you to run lighter, lower pressure (no pinch flat to worry about), lower rolling resistance (no tube) and supposedly safer during a puncture (more controlled deflation). The problem right now is that there's a very limited choice of tyres (Hutchinson) for this application. The other bit of concern is whether the design spec for tubeless has been settled. Michelin and Mavic are in partnership to develop their first version of tubeless and supposedly the rim/bead design is a major part of their design effort. One wonders if there'll be a new standard?
You can paint your CF frame red too.Red spokes.... get some red paint.
Do you want to Jo buy wheels that have pretty spokes or something light?
according to weight weenies the Fulcrum Zeros weigh in at 1514gr a pair. This is fairly light but no cigar.
Jo is small enough so that light wont be a problem with longevity.
How about a set of custom wheels with the following if you want to spend the big dollars.
DT190 hubs weigh in at 105gr rear and 190 for the front.
ceramic bearings, silky smooth.
american classic sprint 350 rims 28 hole front 32 rear 700gr for both
CX-ray spokes about 320gr for 60 spokes
20gr for nipples
adds up to 1335 for the pair.
If a spoke breaks for some reason, any bike shop will have a spoke that will fit and there will be enough spokes so the wheel will stay true enough to ride.
if you go to the http://www.excelsports.com site, you can have fun using their custom wheel building tool to see what weighs what.
The wheels on my road bike are dura-ace hubs with 32h Velocity aerohead rims and sapim db spokes weigh in at 1800g but for someone my size i'm more concerned about reliability than chasing grams
or perhaps the new American Classic Magnesium wheelset thats only 1255gr
according to weight weenies the Fulcrum Zeros weigh in at 1514gr a pair. This is fairly light but no cigar.
Jo is small enough so that light wont be a problem with longevity.
How about a set of custom wheels with the following if you want to spend the big dollars.
DT190 hubs weigh in at 105gr rear and 190 for the front.
ceramic bearings, silky smooth.
american classic sprint 350 rims 28 hole front 32 rear 700gr for both
CX-ray spokes about 320gr for 60 spokes
20gr for nipples
adds up to 1335 for the pair.
If a spoke breaks for some reason, any bike shop will have a spoke that will fit and there will be enough spokes so the wheel will stay true enough to ride.
if you go to the http://www.excelsports.com site, you can have fun using their custom wheel building tool to see what weighs what.
The wheels on my road bike are dura-ace hubs with 32h Velocity aerohead rims and sapim db spokes weigh in at 1800g but for someone my size i'm more concerned about reliability than chasing grams
or perhaps the new American Classic Magnesium wheelset thats only 1255gr
I like that quote. I think I'll save it somewhere...SHUT UP CHRISTIAN.......I like red spokes. They are cheaper than diamonds or any of those other girl things.
Otherwise,
http://tinyurl.com/clppul
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Well you wouldnt want to mix them up considering anodising involves immersing the object in a bath of hydrochloric acid....On the wheels, right?
Was this anodized?Well you wouldnt want to mix them up considering anodising involves immersing the object in a bath of hydrochloric acid....
Geoff - the quote for those specs came in at $2600! The hubs alone are $1500+
Also, Steve Hogg suggests these:
Velocity Helios wheel set – Velocity Aerohead off centre rear rim, Velocity aerohead front rim, lightweight cartridge hubs with plug in style flanges and black Sapim CX Ray spokes, 24 spoke front, 28 spoke rear. Genuine weight
1430 – 1450 grams - $950
Any comments people?
Also, Steve Hogg suggests these:
Velocity Helios wheel set – Velocity Aerohead off centre rear rim, Velocity aerohead front rim, lightweight cartridge hubs with plug in style flanges and black Sapim CX Ray spokes, 24 spoke front, 28 spoke rear. Genuine weight
1430 – 1450 grams - $950
Any comments people?
Ouch!!
sorry stuart didn't realise the 190's were that much!! no wonder i only see the 240's!!!
White industries hubs sound like a better deal, nice and shiny, I'm just waiting for a call back on pricing. It might be possible to buy direct from the importer and get a better price.
The velocity Helios sounds like a bargain. They would be fine for Jo. Aeroheads are great rims with a good reputation and they are what i have used for Marian's and my wheels. The American Classic sprint 350s are the only rim readily available that is lighter.
Cheers
sorry stuart didn't realise the 190's were that much!! no wonder i only see the 240's!!!
White industries hubs sound like a better deal, nice and shiny, I'm just waiting for a call back on pricing. It might be possible to buy direct from the importer and get a better price.
The velocity Helios sounds like a bargain. They would be fine for Jo. Aeroheads are great rims with a good reputation and they are what i have used for Marian's and my wheels. The American Classic sprint 350s are the only rim readily available that is lighter.
Cheers
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