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Postby mikesbytes » 07 Aug 2015, 14:43

Event: 2015 Dulwich Hill Bicycle Club Individual Time Trail Championship (DHBC ITT Champs)
Date: Sunday September 6th 2015, leave home around 6.30am
Venue: ATTA Calga
Course: We will be using the 25k Calga
Eligibility: All DHBC members who have a Silver ride-it license or a Gold race license.
-----------> IE you don't need a race license to participate in this event.
Hosts: Marc and Mike
Categories (Marc and Mike will provide more details later);
1. Everyone ATTA Handicap - note: The winner will receive the DHBC ITT perpetual trophy
2. Vintage subcategory - those with vintage bikes
3. Old Salts subcategory - Those who have ridden ATTA Calga 25k before

Could you please put you name below and state if you need a lift, or have own transport and if you can provide a lift;
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Michael Clement (own transport, can provide lift to one)

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Postby marc2131 » 07 Aug 2015, 22:11

Marc R - probably vintage category

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Postby Jdubs » 07 Aug 2015, 22:54

Yes yes yes

Maybe both categories...
Marc, whats the limit in hardware that will make a bike vintage?

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Postby mikesbytes » 08 Aug 2015, 08:53

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
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Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)

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Postby Strawburger » 08 Aug 2015, 12:19

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
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Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)

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Postby lindsay » 10 Aug 2015, 16:05

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
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Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)

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Postby marc2131 » 10 Aug 2015, 16:12

See below.
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Postby Rogerrabbit1964 » 13 Aug 2015, 22:14

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================
Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)

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Postby Neilm » 14 Aug 2015, 12:20

You do realise it's father's day that day

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Postby mikesbytes » 14 Aug 2015, 19:11

Neilm wrote:You do realise it's father's day that day
I'm a dad and I'm racing

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Postby Jdubs » 14 Aug 2015, 23:36

This race is probably the best fathers day gift ever.

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Postby marc2131 » 17 Aug 2015, 09:21

AMENDED 18/8.
There will be 3 categories:
1. Everyone ATTA Handicap - note: The winner will receive the DHBC ITT perpetual trophy
2. Vintage subcategory - those with vintage bikes
3. Old Salts subcategory - Those who have ridden ATTA Calga 25k before

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Please note:
ALL VINTAGE BIKE BASED HANDICAPS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FOR THE TIME BEING.
HANDICAPS WILL BE DERIVED JOINTLY BASED ON INDIVIDUAL RIDER ABILITY AND BIKE.

General Rule for Vintage bike participants only:

1. All vintage bicycle entries should be pre-1997.
2. Equipment used (ie. groupset, wheels, gearing & other miscellaneous tech) should be pre-1997 and approximately period correct, however minor and/or sympathetic variations are acceptable.
3. Groupsets and gearing should comply with the following dates:
a. 1900-1950 - 1 to 3 speed gearing only
b. 1950-1965 - 3 to 10 speed gearing only
c. 1965-1990 - 10 to 16 speed gearing only
d. 1990-1997 - 16 to 18 speed gearing only
4. Judges reserve the right to adjust the level of handicap on the day.
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Postby Toff » 17 Aug 2015, 16:40

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================
Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)

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Postby Johnj » 17 Aug 2015, 20:33

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================
Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)

Just sorting out a pre-1950 bike. Will I be allowed to start with only 1 brake?

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Postby mikesbytes » 17 Aug 2015, 21:40

John, I'll ask about the brake

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Postby humanbeing » 18 Aug 2015, 10:07

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)

Just sorting out a pre-1950 bike. Will I be allowed to start with only 1 brake?
Is there a start time for our block?

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Postby Eleri » 18 Aug 2015, 23:07

Just sorting out a pre-1950 bike. Will I be allowed to start with only 1 brake?


Shouldn't the question be "Will I be able to stop?" :-)

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Postby Johnj » 19 Aug 2015, 10:17

Eleri wrote:Shouldn't the question be "Will I be able to stop?" :-)


Who needs brakes in a time trial?

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Postby marc2131 » 19 Aug 2015, 17:06

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)

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Postby Neilm » 19 Aug 2015, 19:37

i would like to this but i have never done and individual time trial and i dont a vintage bike even that i am a bit vintage

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Postby Strawburger » 19 Aug 2015, 19:43

It's all inclusive Neil. Doesn't matter if it's your first, your 100th , whether you have a TT bike, vintage bike or road bike :)

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Postby Neilm » 19 Aug 2015, 19:59

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1

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Postby mikesbytes » 20 Aug 2015, 09:10

Neilm wrote:i would like to this but i have never done and individual time trial and i dont a vintage bike even that i am a bit vintage

No need for a vintage bike. You can use whatever bike you have, I won't be using a vintage bike. And its a great opportunity to experience your first ITT.

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Postby Neilm » 20 Aug 2015, 18:09

I'm in but we're is the start and what time do we need to be there

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Postby mikesbytes » 20 Aug 2015, 20:53

Location is here http://www.atta.asn.au/maps/Course_Maps.html#calga

With the Calga ITT once you arrive you register for a time slot, which will depend on how many registered before you. The plan is for all of us to depart home around 6.30am so we arrive at Calga at similar times

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Postby utopia » 21 Aug 2015, 06:58

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1
Peter + Francis T (own transport)

Questions:
1. entry fee?
2. What sort of license is needed as http://www.atta.asn.au/program.html#nswprog says ATTA-NSW is affiliated with Cycling-NSW
3. Any provision for juniors?

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Postby mikesbytes » 21 Aug 2015, 09:08

Its great for Juniors, would love to see some out there

I've asked Crafty to post on entry and licensing

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Postby RON WEBSTER » 21 Aug 2015, 09:25

Im looking forward to the TT .I have my own transport but taking more than 1 bike is a problem. Would have room for a non riding passenger if needed.[Ron Webster)

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Postby jhnhtt » 22 Aug 2015, 16:08

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1
Peter + Francis T (own transport)
John Hatt (Snoozing in the car as Neil M Drives / Has a spare bike rack if needed)

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Postby shrubb face » 23 Aug 2015, 17:57

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1
Peter + Francis T (own transport)
John Hatt (Snoozing in the car as Neil M Drives / Has a spare bike rack if needed)
Alex C (own transport)

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Postby Artson » 30 Aug 2015, 21:22

My apologies for my late posting, Michael C had emailed me when I was at Cootamundra re; confirming ATTA entry fee prices.

Being, what I consider a friend of DHBC, I have been in contact and negotiation with Chris (ATTA-NSW) to try and broker a deal for DHBC.
Fees for ATTA-NSW are $25 for CA members.
I noted to Chris that on the rolling list you had 14 riders (totalling $350 in unconfirmed entry) My proposal was that if DHBC pre-paid $300 by Wednesday 2nd Sept that ATTA-NSW would accept unlimited riders from DHBC.

Proposal:
• DHBC (or organiser) pay $300 to ATTA-NSW by Wednesday 2nd Sept
• DHBC riders present licences at sign on and will sign on free of charge
• DHBC (or organiser) will be responsible for any transaction between individual riders and DHBC (or organiser) to recoup said $300
• ATTA-NSW will conduct an event in any climate (rain hail shine) this event will not be postponed or cancelled.

ATTA NSW
BSB 082330
A/C 857502675

Guys I think this deal is beyond cool, so I hope you take advantage of it. it is not restricted to vintage bike riders only DHBC (CA) licence holders.
We can use this page to debate /confirm or discard my offer

Cheers Paul

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Postby mikesbytes » 31 Aug 2015, 14:12

That is excellent Paul - thanks.

Guys/Gals, we need a couple more riders to make this work. Can those who haven't committed please put their names in the list. Have we got any friends to invite? There's some that can give a lift, so no transport worries

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Postby humanbeing » 01 Sep 2015, 10:46

Mike,
What time do we need to be at the start?
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Postby weller » 01 Sep 2015, 11:42

I'm in.

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Postby mikesbytes » 01 Sep 2015, 12:03

humanbeing wrote:Mike,
What time do we need to be at the start?
Peter
If we all depart home at 6.30 we will arrive around the same time, then they will allocate us similar timeslot. First rider is 8am and last rider is 10am. I'm guessing we will be allocated 9, it will depend on how many riders turn up before us

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Postby paul » 01 Sep 2015, 20:39

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1
Peter + Francis T (own transport)
John Hatt (Snoozing in the car as Neil M Drives / Has a spare bike rack if needed)
Alex C (own transport)
Paul A (own transport)

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Postby mikesbytes » 02 Sep 2015, 15:26

We'll do a rolling list and include your transport info, so we can help out those who need it
Don't worry too much about the categories at this point, that will sort itself
===================================================

Michael C (own transport, can provide lift to one)
Marc R (---transport?----)
Jonathan W (---transport?---)
Simon Be (own transport)
Lindsay (own transport)
Roger W (own transport)
Toff (own transport)
John J (own transport)
Peter B (own transport)
Ron Webster (...transport?...)
Neil M ( own transport ) with room for 1
Peter + Francis T (own transport)
John Hatt (Snoozing in the car as Neil M Drives / Has a spare bike rack if needed)
Alex C (own transport)
Paul A (own transport)
Craig W (---transport?---)

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Postby mikesbytes » 03 Sep 2015, 10:04

The Club has prepaid the entry fee.

This means that you get a discount;
Adults - $20
Juniors - $10

It also means your committed to pay

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Postby RON WEBSTER » 04 Sep 2015, 12:39

Found the Post. Can't see the START TIME. Please Advise.

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Postby Strawburger » 04 Sep 2015, 13:22

You are given your start time when you register Ron. If we all leave at similar times from sydney (6:30am) we should arrive and register at similar times (7:30am).

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Postby mikesbytes » 04 Sep 2015, 19:08

The trophy has arrived

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Postby Rogerrabbit1964 » 05 Sep 2015, 12:13

Hi all, I won't be there :(. Sorry, other family commitments have to take priority.

Regards
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Postby mikesbytes » 05 Sep 2015, 14:26

Its not too late if you want to enter

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Postby Matt T » 05 Sep 2015, 16:02

I'm thinking of giving this a go. Can you just turn up on the morning and pay the fees then?

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Postby mikesbytes » 05 Sep 2015, 18:04

Yeh sure Matt. Let them know you are DHBC as the club has bulk paid the entry. Then you need to give Marc or me $20

See you tomorrow

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Postby mikesbytes » 05 Sep 2015, 20:29

See everyone in the morning
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Postby utopia » 05 Sep 2015, 21:55

Shoot, should have asked this question earlier.

What's the plan for wet weather? Rule#5?

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Postby mikesbytes » 05 Sep 2015, 22:37

utopia wrote:Shoot, should have asked this question earlier.

What's the plan for wet weather? Rule#5?
It's on regardless of the weather, its never cancelled

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Postby mikesbytes » 06 Sep 2015, 06:11

The weather looks OK this morning, looks like we are on a winner. See you there

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Postby humanbeing » 06 Sep 2015, 18:53

Thanks Mike and Mark for organizing the championship. It was a great morning and a lot of fun.
Looking forward to next year,
Peter B

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Postby Strawburger » 06 Sep 2015, 20:20

Thanks for those involved with organising. A great event and thankfully the rain stayed away!

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Postby mikesbytes » 06 Sep 2015, 20:52

Before I put up the Championship results, here's the scratch times;
36:37 Alex Chubb
38:11 Simon Berry
38:51 Craig Weller
39:59 James Bernard
42:15 Paul Armishaw
44:11 John Hatt
45:13 Marc Rerceretman
48:23 Peter Bownes
48:53 Chris Harris
49:05 Neil Moxham
50:59 Jonathon Wong
52:42 Lindsay Munks
54:13 Peter Teow
56:13 Francis Teow
58:01 Ron Webster
58:06 John Johnson
DNF Michael Clement

Edit: I've added James
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Postby Strawburger » 06 Sep 2015, 20:59

James Bernard?

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Postby mikesbytes » 06 Sep 2015, 21:37

They just put up the results, James has been put down as riding for Sydney Uni and hence why he didn't end up on the DHBC printout. I've edited the results to include him

http://www.atta.asn.au/db/005.php?page=event&rideid=nsw9_15

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Postby timothy_clifford » 07 Sep 2015, 09:57

Congratulations Francis Teow!
DHBC Junior ITT Champion?

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Postby mikesbytes » 07 Sep 2015, 12:18

And the championship results are......

+3.45 Craig Weller
+2.11 Alex Chubb
+1.26 Simon Berry
-0.03 Paul Armishaw
-1.11 James Benard
-3.01 Marc Rercretman
- 5.23 John Hatt
-6.35 Peter Bownes
-6.53 Neil Moxham
-8.05 Chris Harris
-10.06 LIndsay Munks
-10.19 Ron Webster
-12.11 Jonathan Wong
- 13.14 Francis Teow
-13.37 Peter Teow
-15.30 John Johnson
DNF Michael Clement

Please congratulate Craig - 2015 DHBC ITT champion

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Postby utopia » 07 Sep 2015, 14:00

Is that the age altered times/STD from ATTA ?
There is a ZIP file that considers Age and Gender here : http://www.atta.asn.au/results/standards.html
Although it is from 2013 so maybe riders have been getting faster and/or TT bikes/equipment have become more aero in the last 2 years.

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Postby mikesbytes » 07 Sep 2015, 14:49

Yes that's the calc its based on. I don't know how it works but it does. I doubt that its affected much by the steady but small improvements over the years.

I was talking to Neil Arnold, who is the ex president of NSCC and he said that NSCC used the same method as us to do their ITT championship.

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Postby Neilm » 07 Sep 2015, 17:15

hey mike great event really enjoyed prob should not have done the 140 the day before but hey, once again thanx heaps for doing it all

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Postby Artson » 07 Sep 2015, 20:40

Hi to explain the age standard time
We say a good time for an Elite male rider (age 18-35) is 38:48
as you pass this age 35+ we estimate a 12 second loss per year or every 5 years 1 min
when a rider hits 60 the 12seconds per year is increased to 17seconds per year
And 70+ 23 seconds per year.
A similar formula is applied to women and likewise as per year below 18
So it is way of comparing all riders to a standard of age and gender

The graph looks like this
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in the last 20 year we have adjusted (tightened) the figures 3 times. Reasons times are getting quicker but more importantly old people are getting quicker. With modern medics and lifestyle changes the decline of sporting performance with age is not as dramatic as it once was. (opinion only)
the last tightening was done 6 years ago I am planning on tightening it up again in 2016.
love to hear your thoughts

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Postby mikesbytes » 07 Sep 2015, 21:35

Thanks for running the event and thanks for picking me up on circuit Paul, it was a long walk bare foot on a wet road

Artson wrote:<snip>
We say a good time for an Elite male rider (age 18-35) is 38:48
<snip>
With modern medics
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Hey 38:48 is exactly my PB, set last year

Rumors that I have an exemption from my doctor are completely untrue

Anyway jokes aside, thanks for the info Paul, that's great.

In regards to the feedback, are we comparing apples with apples? There's a lot more of a generalist elite age cyclists turning up, but in with the masters it tends to be the specialists, for example Neil Arnold, who seems to turn up ever month. If you look at the DHBC results, you can see that there was a wide variety of ability in those who don't normally turn up

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Postby utopia » 08 Sep 2015, 12:26

We say a good time for an Elite male rider (age 18-35) is 38:48

Thanks for the details of the STANDARD times (although really - shouldn't these be more accurately called 'Elite' times? )
Anyway It's pretty fair to normalise the results across ages/gender.


The Calga ITT is a fair hike away from Marrickville for a club event, which based on the ATTA handicaps, to be in the running for the coveted shiny trophy, one really needs to be able to post a time faster than the STANDARD times.
The challenge is how is the Club going to get more of the Fasties bunch to make the trip next year.

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Postby Neilm » 08 Sep 2015, 13:01

I didn't think it was to far to travel, it was a easy drive there

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Postby Artson » 08 Sep 2015, 21:12

At a time trial your main opposition is yourself.
The bar is set by your expectations
And the time you want to beat is your own.

There may not be a "coveted shiny trophy" if you succeed but, there sure will be a heap of satisfaction.

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Postby utopia » 08 Sep 2015, 21:45

Artson wrote:At a time trial your main opposition is yourself.
The bar is set by your expectations
And the time you want to beat is your own.

There may not be a "coveted shiny trophy" if you succeed but, there sure will be a heap of satisfaction.


All true.
In this sense I was satisfied with my average 170bpm effort with 63% of the time in my z5 heart rate band

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Postby mikesbytes » 08 Sep 2015, 22:13

Average 170bpm is pretty dam good

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Postby paul » 09 Sep 2015, 19:43

The challenge is how is the Club going to get more of the Fasties bunch to make the trip next year.


Maybe they can ride up with Peter?

Artson wrote:
At a time trial your main opposition is yourself
The bar is set by your expectations
And the time you want to beat is your own.


I agree, which is what makes ITTing fun.
In a road race, you can get handicapped into too strong a bunch, and it's all over in five minutes. (happened to me in Cootamundra)
Or you work your guts out for two hours, then get blown away in the sprint. (West Head).
But in an ITT, it's all in your control.
So on Sunday, we met our opponent, and he is us.

Paul

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Postby timyone » 10 Sep 2015, 21:47

I don't want to be too controversial, but I would say give the actual cup to Alec Chubb, and create another cup for the equaled out results. (though I would like to point out great times to both Simon Berry and Craig Weller)

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Postby marc2131 » 11 Sep 2015, 06:12

FINAL RESULTS OF THE DHBC INDIVIDUAL TIME TRIAL CHAMPIONSHIPS 2015


2015 DHBC ITT champion
Craig Weller 40m46s Actual /38m51s on the day (1m55s faster Closest to actual handicap)

ITT Best performce by handicap
John Hatt 51m00s Estimated /44m11s on the day (5m49s faster than handicap)

ITT Vintage bicycle champion
Christopher Harris 51m00s Estimated /48m53s on the day (2m03s faster than handicap)

The insane award (for riding to the venue from Marrickville and riding back after the race)
Peter Bownes 44m00s Estimated /48m23s on the day 4m23s slower

ITT Lantern Rouge award
Jonathan Wong 42m05s Actual /50m59s on the day (8m54s slower than handicap)

ITT Junior champion
Francis Teow 60m00s Estimated /56m13s on the day (3m47s faster than handicap)

ITT Oldest rider
Ron Webster 60m00s Estimated /58m01s on the day 1m59s faster

ITT Why can't you do better award - Closest to estimated handicap + closest overall
Alex Chubb 36m00s Estimated /36m37s on the day (0m37s slower than handicap)

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Postby frank3dot0 » 22 Sep 2015, 12:35

Will this be held in 2016?

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Postby mikesbytes » 22 Sep 2015, 15:14

frank3dot0 wrote:Will this be held in 2016?

We are proposing August 7th

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Postby frank3dot0 » 15 Mar 2016, 07:40

keen as mustard..

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Postby mikesbytes » 15 Mar 2016, 08:08

Hi frank, Its set for August. Have started a new thread for here

http://www.dhbc.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5118

So pop a post in that thread and stay tuned

Cheers Mike


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