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Postby Eleri » 10 Oct 2012, 16:24

Centennial Park – can you help this weekend?

The new Children’s Crossing has been operating from Monday 8th October and will be eased into operation with Centennial Park Trust staff in assistance. This weekend will be the big test.

DHBC can assist with this. Any members in club kit who can come and help out on Saturday 13th October and Sunday 14th October, please post here and nominate a hour or so when you will be available between 9 and 4.30pm. We can use the opportunity in several ways:

· To understand how the crossing works in practice
· To promote DHBC in a positive way

For those who came in late, the Centennial Park Trust has been working with Cycle Centennial (of which DHBC is a part) and a new option has been announced.

It is a timed crossing near the children’s cycle path that will operate between 9am and 4.30pm.

More info on the Centennial Park Trust blog

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Postby adam » 10 Oct 2012, 17:32

I'm happy to be in on Sunday - 11am should be ok

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Postby weiyun » 10 Oct 2012, 21:28

Do people really think pedestrian park users, in particular parents/kids, would walk the extra distance to cross at this designated point? Take a look at the J-walkers on George St where traffic is heavier and faster by at least a magnitude.

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Postby MarkL » 10 Oct 2012, 21:32

I can do Sat, 10 till 11 if that helps.


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Postby AndrewBurns » 11 Oct 2012, 05:22

What is actually involved in helping out? I have some free time on both days if needed but I don't know what we're actually doing there...

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Postby Eleri » 11 Oct 2012, 05:38

I've sought some clarification from CP Trust this morning. They haven't been very specific. I'll update later.

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Postby Eleri » 12 Oct 2012, 20:11

All I've been able to find out is - nothing more than I already knew. If you would like to turn up, just do it.

Camilla and I will go over Saturday morning sometime in between Slowies and Woop.

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Postby MarkL » 12 Oct 2012, 22:31

Thanks Eleri, if I'm not needed I'll do some laps :-)

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Postby Lizanne » 14 Oct 2012, 17:31

... Went by today, about 2 ish. A couple marshals at the crossing, and everyone crossing the road everywhere but the crossing( even with all the signs) maybe it will be like cyclists using the cycle ways. It just takes time to get used to the new design

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Postby weiyun » 14 Oct 2012, 18:33

The administrators can now walk away from the issue given this came out of an agreement b/n all interested parties and money has been spent. I look forward to some harmony and worthwhile cycling for a few years before the next flare up.

Did the club PR work out well?

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Postby Eleri » 14 Oct 2012, 19:46

Camilla, Mark L and I went down to CP on Saturday morning. Adam went down today. I also saw SCC Pres Stephen Berveling down there and we have a similar story to tell from riding around talking to cyclists of all types, and from observing the behaviour of people using the crossing (or not as Lizanne reports).

Firstly, it's important to note that the construction of the crossing is not yet finished. There are still the barriers to go in (some of this will be hedges that will grow) and flashing lights. This is scheduled over the next week. This will further effect behavioural changes I hope.

Generally the cyclists we spoke to were interested to know about the crossing. Some who were a bit grumpy about it got a different perspective when we told them it was a negotiated solution to a real problem. And that the first proposal was a lot worse. Everyone agreed that the timed solution was a good thing and were pleased to hear that one of the really positive outcomes was that there is an open dialogue with the CP Trust and that cyclists have an organised voice now.

We all met quite a few cyclists who were training but "Not usually here at this time". That's good, they'll go back and talk to their clubs I think.

We did see people crossing in other places other than the crossing and parking where they shouldn't. I think that will be harder behaviour to change. It might be that we have to keep giving feedback about that if we see it. The rangers will also be able to enforce some of that.

I think it was a good, if modest, PR exercise for DHBC. A couple of people I talked to wanted to know more about the club. We were all wearing club kit and people had noticed us in the park before. It is also useful to be seen as a constructive and helpful club with the CP Trust.

All in all, I think it is a useful exercise. Weiyun I don't share your cynicism about the public policy process. If I did - I'd have found another career by now!

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Postby weiyun » 14 Oct 2012, 20:15

Good to know that it was a worthwhile PR exercise for the club.

As for cynicism, guess one is entitled to be more cynical when one have seen this process before, one that brought in the speed limit/signs many years ago. Identical set of conflict just repeating itself in finite number of years down the track, each "resolved" with increasing restrictions. Cyclists, motorists and pedestrians aren't likely to go any faster or slower but accidents will still happen. Then there'll be another round of complaints by users who know not nor care of the history, leading to another round of agreement... Let's see and fingers crossed.

I am energized by logical and productive public policy processes but not ones that displace logic to allow for appeasement.

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Postby Eleri » 14 Oct 2012, 20:30

Come up with a different solution and, if it holds up to scrutiny, I will argue the case. I haven't heard one yet.

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Postby Eleri » 14 Oct 2012, 20:57

Weiyun you are demonstrating that you understand little about what happened in this process or what the issues are. The crossing is as much to control the cars and the pedestrians and not aimed at the cyclists per se. What we have achieved is a significant voice for cyclists that is not present for other users of the park. I'm quite pleased with that achievement as I think it gives us a sound base from which to negotiate other things that happen in the park.

And just for your benefit. I've been a lobbyist and public policy advocate for the majority of my career. I speak from a position of authority about what is a good public policy outcome. As far as I am aware, that is not your professional background.

If you want to argue the case, come up with an alternative policy solution and not more negative and cynical posts please.

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Postby weiyun » 14 Oct 2012, 21:42

Eleri, I am fully aware that you've been a PR officer by profession. Without anything personal, I think it's fair to say that not all public policies packaged by the professionals out there are effective/efficient. But the spins can always give a positive glow at launch. So let's keep an open mind on that.

As said, the outcome appeases all parties. That's hardly a negative comment.

BTW, take note of Parkland's registered complaints. 41 registered against cyclists vs 4 against motorists.
http://www.centennialparklands.com.au/c ... nformation
Against that, Cycle Centennial as a group has done a credible job in defence of the needs of us cyclists. The present outcome is probably the best we cyclists can expect, that's all.

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Postby rhys » 05 Nov 2012, 19:01

I saw a man and his child use this crossing on Sunday. Can somebody call the papers please!


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