Johnny Warren Jamberoo Classic 2012

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Postby colin » 07 Dec 2011, 15:04

Anyone interested in do the Johnny Warren this year?

the entry form is located at http://www.jamberoopub.com/news.php


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Postby Stuart » 08 Dec 2011, 09:44

well, yes possibly I will. I entered last year but it pissed with rain so I didn't actually ride (although I recall it cleared up and people had a good time).

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 12 Dec 2011, 12:52

I'm also interested. Early bird entries close on the 15th Dec.

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Postby Hung » 12 Dec 2011, 14:57

Its a great ride

mainly keen roadies only and no rif raf which is good

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Postby rhys » 12 Dec 2011, 16:16

Looks like I need to add "race entry fees" to my budget now that I'm going to be around a lot more.

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Postby shrubb face » 12 Dec 2011, 16:46

Looks like I need to add "race entry fees" to my budget now that I'm going to be around a lot more.
yes, except this one isnt a race :)

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Postby MarkL » 13 Dec 2011, 07:55

I'm interested, another good cause and a nice ride! It's on a bit later than usual.
Thanks for the heads up on the early bird entries Jo.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 14 Dec 2011, 14:44

Entered! Here is hoping La Nina goes on holiday for it...

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Postby jonboy » 14 Dec 2011, 20:46

Ditto. I entered too.

It seems logical to start out from the Marrickville cafe at 6:30am with one of the Waterfall groups as a warm up.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 15 Dec 2011, 06:49

I thought the same thing John. Would be a bit difficult to get there any other way.

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Postby Tod511 » 15 Dec 2011, 16:33

I am now registered for the classic.

I agree, best option is to ride to the start at Loftus. However, if we leave with one of the Waterfall groups I fear we will miss the start. I rode with the middies last week and we went past Loftus pretty close to 7.30am. So unless we want to kill ourselves before the start of the classic, I suggest we leave Marrickville before 6.30am.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 15 Dec 2011, 16:47

Maybe we leave at 6 akin to an Adventure Ride? What are the plans to get home from Jamberoo?

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Postby Julio » 15 Dec 2011, 18:53

I'm in

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Postby andrewb » 16 Dec 2011, 21:22

me too.

But yeah, +1 to "how on earth do we get home?"

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Postby mikesbytes » 17 Dec 2011, 02:46

We did this a couple of years ago. We rode from Marrickville to the start. Afterwards we rode to Albion Park and caught the train back.

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Postby Hung » 17 Dec 2011, 08:08

last year , geoff camilla and a few others rode back to kiama train station
a couple of short steep hills but it is not far from the JW pub

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Postby MarkL » 17 Dec 2011, 17:16

Entered.
In previous years we have left M/ville at 6 and arrived at Loftus just before the start.
I haven't seen a start time yet, I'm assuming it still starts at 7.
Options to return:
- train
- lift w friend who just happens to be there
- ride back

I'm considering riding back, will know after the Alpine ride.

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Postby Karzie » 03 Jan 2012, 11:14

The start from Loftus is at 7:30am
Quoting Jamie Warrren: Have a great christmas and I look forward to seeing you at Loftus Oval on 12 February 2012 for a 7.30am start.

6am ish is probably a good time. There's still the sign on and word to the wise. An early flat could cost dearly.

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Postby Stuart » 23 Jan 2012, 12:06

I'm in ... as a motorcycle support rider. I think I need a DHBC club colours vest like the outlaw gangs wear ....

can confirm 7:30am start from Loftus Oval. http://www.johnnywarrenjamberooclassic.com.au/

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Postby marc2131 » 29 Jan 2012, 19:02

If you need another motorcycle (this time scooter) support vehicle, I can offer to help too.

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Postby Rodney » 30 Jan 2012, 13:32

I've just registered for the 2012 JWJC. I rode with C25's on Sunday to Waterfall and hope other C25 speedsters will join me. Not sure whether to ride from Marrickville (extra 22kms) or start from Loftus.

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Postby Trouty » 30 Jan 2012, 14:55

I've just registered for the 2012 JWJC. I rode with C25's on Sunday to Waterfall and hope other C25 speedsters will join me. Not sure whether to ride from Marrickville (extra 22kms) or start from Loftus.

You are better riding the 22km to Loftus and meet up with any other DHBC people going. Nice easy warmup and it's a drama getting a car out there. Its not that far - the extra km's will do you good.

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Postby stevanr » 31 Jan 2012, 13:35

I've just registered for the 2012 JWJC. I rode with C25's on Sunday to Waterfall and hope other C25 speedsters will join me. Not sure whether to ride from Marrickville (extra 22kms) or start from Loftus.
Rodney, im a cruiser and will be riding in the JWJC. Im thinking it maybe easier just to ride there as well. It just means more hydration will be require at the Jamberoo Pub !

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Postby Stuart » 31 Jan 2012, 13:51

The other option is to get the train to Loftus or Sutherland

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Postby AndrewBurns » 31 Jan 2012, 14:49

Considering doing this, it will be the day after my birthday!

So from what I gather it's a 100km ride, any monsterous hills or anything? Sounds like it would be fun.

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Postby stevanr » 31 Jan 2012, 16:22

I have a question re: public transport after the event. which is the prefered option ? albion park station or kiama station.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 31 Jan 2012, 20:43

Hi Stevanr, I received the letter today and there is a free shuttle bus to take you to Kiama station after the ride... I think that will be the preferred option...

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Postby Bill K CX » 31 Jan 2012, 22:20

I have also just registered for JWC. Intend to ride from Marrickville and train back. (not sure from which station as yet)

I will be on this weeks Sat/Sun rides also, come say hi, as not familiar with who's who as yet, im the one with the cyclocross.

Do we have any idea how many are currently going from DHBC? riding from Marrickville?

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Postby Hung » 01 Feb 2012, 09:43

Considering doing this, it will be the day after my birthday!

So from what I gather it's a 100km ride, any monsterous hills or anything? Sounds like it would be fun.
It's a fairly easy ride if you pace yourself
you decend more than you climb

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Postby Rodney » 06 Feb 2012, 13:01

Bib number 239. ok peer pressure I'll ride from Marrickville. What's an extra 22kms?!

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Postby Stuart » 07 Feb 2012, 14:45

You'll all be joining Rochelle Gilmore on the ride ... she's pretty quick though :-)

Gilmore to support Johnny Warren Jamberoo Classic >> http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/ne ... oo-classic

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Postby Nozzle » 07 Feb 2012, 16:08

The weather forecast looks to be favourable so I've locked in my entry and will be joining all at Marrickville @6am sharp.

There is not a lot of detail on the pub website. What kind of support is there and will there be any points that one can collect water / food or it is 100% BYO?


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Postby adrian » 07 Feb 2012, 18:25

Hi folks. I'm looking forward to the ride. Bib no. 90 arrived in the mail today! We leave from Marrickville at 6am? See you then!

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Postby AliG » 07 Feb 2012, 18:49

I'm a late entry. First ride over 100km in a long long time... See you all at 6am.
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Postby AnthonyI » 07 Feb 2012, 19:09

I'm a late entry - Bib #316. Apparently there'll be close to 400 riders this year, which is a great turnout.

hope the weather holds up :)

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Postby Dougie » 08 Feb 2012, 07:32

Later entry.....bib in the mail

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Postby mr mojo » 08 Feb 2012, 12:17

Another late entry. Bib also in the mail.

As per the previous post - has anyone ridden this before ? Is this ride supported with water / food or BYO ?

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Postby colin » 08 Feb 2012, 13:19

There are not formal water and food stations but from memory the surf lifesaving club in Wollongong had a food and drink stall. Best to BYO for the ride. The pub had the normal counter food and a beacon/egg roll stall in the beer garden.

Last year a group stopped in at a Cafe in the back of Austinmer, to dry out and caffeinate before continuing

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Postby Stuart » 08 Feb 2012, 13:23

BTW, I volunteer to be bunch photographer pre setting off. I'll look for all the DHBC jerseys.

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Postby Dougie » 08 Feb 2012, 14:45

Stuart, Marrickville or Loftus?

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Postby Eleri » 08 Feb 2012, 17:38

I believe Adam and I are late entries. We haven't decided whether to start at Loftus or Marrickville yet, however we will both do the same thing whatever that is.

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Postby Tod511 » 10 Feb 2012, 08:41

As per the previous post - has anyone ridden this before ? Is this ride supported with water / food or BYO ?
Stuart is riding support on his motobike - maybe he can be our "neutral service vehicle" just like in the tour :D

As I live in Brighton Le Sands I will be waiting for you guys on the Grande Parade at about 6.10am. At least I will save my legs about 6kms and get to sleep in a little longer :lol:

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Postby Stuart » 10 Feb 2012, 16:11

Stuart, Marrickville or Loftus?
Loftus - I don't need to leave Marrickville at 6:00 to be at Loftus at 7:00 :-)

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Postby Stuart » 10 Feb 2012, 16:13

Stuart is riding support on his motorbike - maybe he can be our "neutral service vehicle" just like in the tour :D
I will be carrying some water, a couple of tubes, a tyre and some tools.

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Postby Karzie » 10 Feb 2012, 16:19

I will be carrying some water, a couple of tubes, a tyre and some tools.
Can you carry a couple of tinnies for me?

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Postby Stuart » 11 Feb 2012, 14:02

Hi all JWJC riders. SBS' Cycling Central will have camera's recording the Johnny Warren for use on Cycling Central. Mike Tomalaris has tweeted: Roll out time for #jwjc Jamberoo ride is 7.30am Sunday. Enter at http://www.jamberoopub.com. @CyclingCentral cameras will follow. So - make sure to get your DHBC club kit on and fly the flag for DHBC.

See you all at Loftus (looks like I might need my waterproofs).

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Postby rhys » 11 Feb 2012, 15:30

Hope all involved have a great time and it stays dry. I plan on doing the usual club ride if I wake up on the right side of bed and the road is dry.

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Postby Eleri » 11 Feb 2012, 16:13

Adam and I will ride from Marrickville - see you all at 6am!

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Postby MarkL » 11 Feb 2012, 16:47

I'm riding from Mville and riding to the station for the train home.

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Postby Stuart » 12 Feb 2012, 15:07

So I had a wonderful day out and one of the quickest averages ever for the distance :lol: Top speed of 140k+ :shock:

Loved the ride up from Jamberoo to Robertson too (thanks Michele for the tip) and then down Macquarie Pass and back home before the rain.

here's some piccies

Mike & Rochelle
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As predicted, looking into the sun is not the best for photos. Here's Team DHBC
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Postby weiyun » 12 Feb 2012, 15:28

Top speed of 140+km/h? You can't be serious! :P

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Postby Peter T » 12 Feb 2012, 16:24

Great day out on the bike. Top speed 71 kmh.

Here are some of the happy wanderers at the Jamberoo Pub this afternoon.

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Postby Stuart » 12 Feb 2012, 16:40

Top speed of 140+km/h? You can't be serious! :P
Here's the bike I was on to achieve my top speed 8)

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It proved to be a pretty easy day out actually :D ... It was interesting to watch a large bunch of riders from a different perspective ... some of it not so good but mostly great.

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Postby Eleri » 12 Feb 2012, 17:50

It was great to turn up at Marrickville and find over 20 DHBC riders. A few more joined us at Loftus and we had a really big showing at the Johnny Warren.

I had a fun ride and took my time along the way, stopped for a coffee at Stanwell Tops and another stop at Wollongong. Ended up riding with Adam, Karzie, Toff, Andrew B and Mark L for the stretch from Wollongong to Jamberoo into a bit of a headwind along the flat bit. The atmosphere at the Jamberoo Pub was great with cyclists everywhere and we were entertained for a while by Millsy who got there at 10.30 and claimed we should all ride back (not that he did). Mark and I decided to ride at a leisurely pace back to Wollongong and catch the train from there. However the rain started, thunder rolled and we hightailed it back as fast as we good, which basically meant that Mark sat on the front and powered away and I pedalled madly to keep up. He reckoned if we went fast, we might not get as wet. So much for leisure! It was my fastest leg of the trip, but as a result I had so much water in my face from his back wheel that I could barely see for the last 4 or so kms. Anyway, we got wet.

Caught up with a big bunch on the train who had all taken various dry options.

Nice to Stuart out and about on the bike! Thanks Stuart for volunteering. Overall a great ride and worth doing again next year.

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 13 Feb 2012, 08:55

I also had a wonderful day... Beautiful weather and a great DHBC crowd.

I also left from Marrickville and made the very wise decision to ensure I didn't end up on the front at any stage. Thanks to those who did as I arrived at Loftus Oval feeling much better than I usually do on Waterfall rides.

Off we went and I was riding with Dougie and Adrian up until RNP where we also met up with Jeremy and Colin after Colin had helped a poor soul who had fallen over on his way to Waterfall (not of DHBC colours). A big thanks to Colin and Jeremy for pulling me out of the park and some encouraging words along the way. We didn't stop in Stanwell Tops but fought on across the Coalcliff Bridge (has anyone noticed that it is a steady ascent along the whole bridge before the big kick up the other side?!) At the top of the hill we picked up Stevan and Dougie (and lost Colin), and the 4 of us made our way through Wollongong and on our way to Jamberoo. We fell in with a group along the freeway and at one point were cruising along at 35km/h. A rider from 'Dion's Bus' was very keen on keeping the group together so asked a couple of slower riders that we came across to please move aside so we could go past.

We pulled off at a servo just before the Jamberoo turnoff for some much needed water refills and the first chance to stretch our legs. We found Colin again and the 5 of us meandered into Jamberoo for a couple of beers and a sausage sandwich where we met up with Stuart and a few others.

Jeremy and I decided to aim for the 1pm train home and opted to ride there. As we approached the Jamberoo turnoff the young lady said "left to Sydney, right to Kiama Station". My response was "I certainly won't be heading to Sydney!" and she said "it will feel like you're riding to Sydney by the time you get there". Little did I know it was to be the hardest 10km of the day and will be catching the bus next year...

From there it was a cosy train ride home with 6 other DHBC'ers and a grumpy CityRail Train Guard who broke the train door.

Will definitely be back next year. It was a wonderful ride.

Though I realised when I got home that I managed to get my 'bogan tan lines' started with a small gap burnt red raw between my jersey and my arm warmers... :oops:

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Postby Karzie » 13 Feb 2012, 09:11

Yes, thanks to Mark L, Eleri , Toff, Adam and Andrew for the support. Thru laziness I didn't change my cluster & chain (would've had to add extra links) from the corn-cob. My lowest gear was 42 X 17 = 66inches. By Stanwell tops I'd become convinced that the cups were too tight as well. Thanks to Stuart who was quick to notice that the wheel was rubbing on the stay! I should have done it on a fixie, it would have been easier. It was harder than the fixie century by a long shot.

It was a bit disappointing that the food was so poor and hard to get. I ended up having two beers before barging my way onto the bus to get out of the group photo. I was glad my bike wasn't on the trailer. I could see the bikes bouncing about a foot in the air at times.

That said I was bloody glad I hadn't tried to ride it!

Someone on the train said that there was something happening in the Jamberoo park? The signage all along the way was very hit and miss and I never heard or saw any mention of a park having anything to do with the event. Maybe 'cos everyone was talking while the announcements were going on at the start?

Anyway, got there and back in one piece and the princess had chicken stir fry and noodles waiting! Best meal I've had in a long time.

Thanks everyone for a great day. I heard a lot of positive comments about the DHBC turnout and what great kit we have!

I agree with EMT about doing it again. Some of the other crews were a bit gung-ho, but nothing like the level of incompetence of the 'Gong Ride etc.

I hope Colin had a good day at the Jamberoo Recreation Park and he was able to control the action. I was thinking next year maybe doing that as well. I haven't been down the hill on the toboggan since the boys were teenagers! There's swimming pools and go-karts as well.... If I get to Jamberoo a bit earlier next time.... :)

Another idea might be to get someone do support down at the park with barbecue and beer and the shelter.


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Postby weiyun » 13 Feb 2012, 11:08

Here's the bike I was on to achieve my top speed 8)
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Ummm... No Spanish steak in that one!

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Postby Toff » 13 Feb 2012, 13:33

Had a great day too. Can't believe it took all morning to ride what really isn't a long course. Apparently it's only 95km from Loftus to Jambaroo pub. Felt like 200! Mind you that was probably, because (like Karzie) I had left my staight block corncob on. 7 speeds. Highest gear was 12. Lowest gear was 18. I have a psychological aversion to using the lowest gear on any cassette or cluster. If you're in the lowest gear you have no gear to drop down to when you completely blow up. So, like Karzie, I did all the climbs in nothing smaller than 42 * 17. Legs feel a bit sore today as a result... Had a bit of a beer enhanced argument with Millsy at the pub over gearing. He didn't believe my gearing, so we went over and had a look at my bike. I actually thought I'd been riding a 12-21 cluster, but when we both discovered it was a corncob his words were "Respect to DHBC". Anyway, after using that gearing, I'm also giving some serious thought to attempting it "fixed" next year.

Thanks to all those bludgers who kept the pace relaxed from the Gong to Jambaroo, especially EMT and Mark L, who did the lion's share of the work into the headwinds. Thanks to the tourist buses that gave me plenty of drafting opportunities after Coalcliff. Thanks to Pete T and Michelle who put up with my gasbagging all the way back to Sydney. No thanks to 32 year old Campagnolo Super Record brake pads which have a distinct proclivity to heat up and fade on long fast descents (like the drop into Audley), making every corner an adventure as you guess whether you'll be able to wipe off enough speed to prevent overshooting into the rocks, (or worse, the oncoming traffic lane!).

Anyway, I reckon the JWJC is much more fun than the MS Gong Ride, and it's a bit of a personal fave of mine, even though I haven't done it for a couple of years. Will definitely be back for more next year.

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Postby JenBurn1+1 » 13 Feb 2012, 16:18

We are new to the club and had already committed to do the ride anyway (same charity as the Ride To Conquer Cancer - Chris O'Brien Lifehouse at RPA) - thanks to those DHBC members who made us welcome anyway and gave me a fantastic tow both out of the national park, and through Shellharbour and most of the way to the Jamberoo turnoff.

To get the train home, we rode from Jamberoo to Minnamurra Station, back along Swamp Road, which was the road we came in on. Made it to the station just before the heavens opened. It pays to have a chat with a local before deciding which route to ride back on! Apart from the undulations we'd ridden in the other direction, it was pretty much flat (although that may have been the beer?). Not wanting to sound smug but perhaps useful to know for next time. Great ride and definitely up for a repeat next year.

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Postby rhys » 13 Feb 2012, 19:30

I have a psychological aversion to using the lowest gear on any cassette or cluster. If you're in the lowest gear you have no gear to drop down to when you completely blow up.
Glad I'm not the only one. I like to keep my 25 'clean as a whistle'.

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Postby AliG » 13 Feb 2012, 22:28

Ian, it was sausage and steak sandwiches in the park, which Adrian said weren't that great. There were some nice looking ponies as well, though.

It was a great ride - the best I've done for ages. After the turn off, though, walking to Jamberoo looked increasingly appealing. I think it was the promise of the woman at the turnoff that we only had 10km to go and it was flat - then there seemed to be nothing but hills. But a great ride. Nice atmosphere during the ride itself, and a very welcoming atmosphere in Jamberoo. Even the people in the train who had to squeeze their way through 9 Dulwich Hill and 2 Penrith bikes to get to the toilet were nice!

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Postby Karzie » 14 Feb 2012, 08:15

Glad I'm not the only one. I like to keep my 25 'clean as a whistle'.
Turkeys.

Well, I wasn't going to say anything about it, but my much vaunted 1983 Campagnolo Super Record kept slipping off the 17 onto the 16 anyway. I did most of the RNP on 71". Thanks to Toff for the workaround (sublime use of a hex key), just a pity it was at Stanwell Tops. I'd been putting so much effort into it that i'd pulled the wheel onto the stay.

After that effort, followed by the Seacliff Bridge climb I was technically blown, so I was permitted under subsection 4 of the "Application for Hard Man Status" to break the seal on the last cog. I'd be happy to take the matter to the tribunal...

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Postby Dougie » 14 Feb 2012, 08:32

After that effort, followed by the Seacliff Bridge climb I was technically blown, so I was permitted under subsection 4 of the "Application for Hard Man Status" to break the seal on the last cog. I'd be happy to take the matter to the tribunal...

Refer to the "Rules" http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/

Rule #5
Rule #20

The tribunal may take up to two years to make a determination on your "Application for Hard Man Status". Whilst waiting refer to rule 5

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Postby Lizanne » 14 Feb 2012, 08:34

Dougie you'e awesome!
Krazie you've been told

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Postby Karzie » 14 Feb 2012, 10:01

And where were you, RainRider?

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Postby Lizanne » 14 Feb 2012, 10:11

Skate training, then saving lives on the beach... and i don't have a racing licence yet :oops:

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Postby Karzie » 14 Feb 2012, 11:46

You can get one when you're fast enough.

Love the way you spelled my name! :)

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Postby Stuart » 14 Feb 2012, 17:32

Skate training, then saving lives on the beach... and i don't have a racing licence yet :oops:
No race license required for the JWJC. It's not a race, its a community ride. Does that mean though you haven't renewed for this year?

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Postby weiyun » 14 Feb 2012, 23:02

Does JWJC need any ride license? I thought it's open to all. No?

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Postby Stuart » 16 Feb 2012, 08:07

Lots of photos from the ride up at Actionsnaps >> http://actionsnaps.com.au/index.php?opt ... catid=3462

Remember these are copyright photo's ....

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Postby JoTheBuilder » 16 Feb 2012, 19:57

Great photos... Especially the one of the DHBC crew arriving at Loftus Oval.

But they don't take credit card...

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Postby Eleri » 16 Feb 2012, 22:19

You can ask for a direct deposit though Jo. Just email him, he's very accommodating.

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Postby Hung » 17 Feb 2012, 11:07

I have bought photos from Action snaps

super nice guy and as Eleri said he is very accommodating

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Postby jonboy » 20 Feb 2012, 20:27

For those of you who missed it herewith the link to the video from SBS Cycling central.

I noticed a few of the DHBC stragglers in frame at Jamberoo. I obviously arrived and left well before the film crew eventually showed up.

It was a very enjoyable ride - I'll do it again next year.

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/vi ... oo-Classic

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Postby Stuart » 21 Feb 2012, 17:14

As suspected, Team DHBC need to work on our media skills. Note that LACC & SUVelo both congregated near the start line & camera man and as such got prime time media exposure. Next year I think a prime spot near the front is required. Nice shot at 2:47 of Pete T arriving at Jamberoo with his jersey unzipped to the navel !

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Postby rhys » 21 Feb 2012, 17:56

Still waiting for the video interview I did for Clarence St Cyclery (in club rig) to surface. And by waiting, I mean dreading.

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Postby weiyun » 21 Feb 2012, 20:49

Nice shot at 2:47 of Pete T arriving at Jamberoo with his jersey unzipped to the navel !
I suspect that was staged. ;)

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Postby Lizanne » 22 Feb 2012, 07:56

SUVelo had a guy on the inside. The media people were on the look out for SUVelo.


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