DHBC - Bernard 7 part Criterium championships for 2011

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 13 Jan 2011, 13:10

Hi all,

This year I have decided that in order to make sure that the criteriums out at Dunc Gray criterium circuit actually happen for at least 7 of the 12 months of the year DHBC will be running a 7 part championships point score. The way it will work is that riders will be split into grades A/B, C/D & E/F so that 3 point scores will exist. If numbers grow massively then this can be broken into 6 points scores but based on last year it is unlikely.

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Each month a different type of event will be run on the same circuit and based on the numbers on the day points will be given out. So say 8 riders show up in C/D the the rider who wins on the day will receive that number of points, 8 and second place will get 7, 3rd will get 6 and so on down to 8th place who will recieve 1point. If sixteen riders show up 1st will get 16 points, 2nd 15 points and so on. At the end of the 7 months the rider with the most points will win the grade. Riders who move up grades (or down) may take their points with them so long as they do not have more points than the leader in the grade above, in which case if they do they will lose as many points as it takes to put them back to the leader. In the last 2 months no movement of points from grade to grade is allowed but rider may rider up a grade (or down) if they wish.

1. MARCH (TBA likely 06/03/2011): Prologue & scratch race. Riders must do a one lap screamer of the track, places are given as per placings based on time. Grading will also be decided on these times though riders may choose not to accept their grading and choose a grade instead. A/B, C/D & E/F scratch race to follow. Overall points for the day will be absed on position in both events.

2. April: (likely 17/4/2011) Handicapps. grades split into 2. A & B, C & D, E & F based on positioning in the pointscore. One bunch will chase the other over a designated time period. First over the finish line wins. ie E may have half an hour to chase down F, if E does not catch F then then F will be sprinting for the win. If E does catch F then complete grade will be sprinting for the win. Handicapps to be announced.

3. May (likely 15/05/2011): Team time trial. Grades will be broken down into teams of 4 riders ideally, based on riders individual positioning on pointscore, teams will be made in the spirit of fairness and everybody giving it ago, ie the fastest and slowest rider in one grade should be in the same team. Teams will race over a time period like half an hour. One rider from the team must be riding at all times, other team member are permitted to take as many laps out as needed so long as one rider continues to set the time. Points will be allocated to teams as per placing in overall race with all of a team receiving the score of the highest placed rider. So if there are 6 teams of 4 riders each in a grade the winning team will all receive 16 points, 2nd will all receive 12 points, 3rd 8 points and 4th 4 points.

4. June (CANCELLED). Points race. Races will be over a certain time ie 30mins with an allocated number of sprints, for example commisaires will attempt to to break up the sprints fairly like at 10 minute intervals but will be based on safety and position of the bunches. Bunches will receive the bell on a sprint lap. Riders must remember their own number of points and claim their place at the finish. points per sprint will be will based on rider numbers and announced on the day.

5. July (l17/07/2011): Teams points race. This race will be run similar to the individual pointscore except rather than an individual score, teams will be created and team scores accumulated. the way it will work is the race will consist of a number of sprints, like 4. If there are 4 riders in each team, then each rider will only be alllowed to sprint for one sprint. Teams should elect which rider will ride for which sprint but can be changed during the race, baring that riders cannot sprint for a second time if a team member has not yet sprinted. Overall pointscore will be allocated the same as the team timetrial.

6. August:Scratch races. Each grade will race over a set time with first over the line winning.

7 September: All in handicapp. Riders will be graded as per ability and each bunch will be chasing the other as per all in handicapps run in the past. So A grad off scract, F grade off limited. F given something like a 10 lap head start, so that A must pass F 10 times to win. All other grades hanicapped in the middle. ie B 1 lap, C 4 laps etc. Overall point granted as per individual rider in their grade as per number of rider in the grade. HAndicapps will be announced prior to the start as well as outline of rules.
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Postby Trouty » 13 Jan 2011, 15:07

This sounds awesome, how long did it take you to think all this up, in between training last night, working, and organising a wedding???

I always loved those Crits out at Dunc, I think we have so many riders now we could easily get an E & F grade - and it's great that the grades can work together to win. Love it!

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Postby simon.sharwood » 14 Jan 2011, 08:17

I'm getting my racing license for this alone.

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Postby Camilla » 14 Jan 2011, 12:06

Woah! I knew there was something missing in my life. Sounds fantastic.

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Postby Eleri » 14 Jan 2011, 14:23

I might get a steel track bike then ...

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Postby rhys » 16 Jan 2011, 10:30

Wow, the effort you put into these things is great Simon. I'll do my best to attend as many of these as I can this year.

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Postby patn » 17 Jan 2011, 15:06

organising races has gotta be more fun than organising a wedding right?!?!

count me in simon :)

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Postby mikesbytes » 17 Jan 2011, 21:48

Great selection Simon, are you going to work out some dates that don't clash with the NSW calendar?

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 18 Jan 2011, 12:46

Great selection Simon, are you going to work out some dates that don't clash with the NSW calendar?
I think in general I willl call the date for each event about 2 weeks in advance as always, probably around the start of each month. I'm not sure that we will be as concerned this year about clashing with opens as previous years as this is often the reason why events don't happen when other clubs like Randwick race every week regardless. I want our club racing this year to have more of a priority than previously as it is for everybody in the club not just the super serious racers and it is a great place for not so serious racers to become more involved.

At present it looks as though we will have a DHBC double header to start off the year on the 5th & 6th of march, omnium Saturday, Criterium Sunday morning. It is also a good weekend for masters to get some racing in before the state championships.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 27 Feb 2011, 10:12

Race 1 will likely be next weekend, 6/03/2010.

See seperate thread.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 06 Mar 2011, 10:59

After a hard fought day of tough close racing, round one proved very successful, however we need more riders to come out and race E/F grade so come on out & give it a go!!! Congratulations to Tim who set the Dunc Gray Crit circuit one lap screamer record, posting a 1:04.49!!

Round 1

A/B Scratch race
1. John
2. Tim
3. SimonL
4. Mike
5.Charlie
6. Matt
7. Mark

C/D Scratch race ( only 3 finishers)
1.Bart
2. Paul
3. Amy

E/F Scratch race
1. Stuart
2.Andrew
3.Simon S

Point Score after round one (with one lap screamer results)

A/B
1. Tim 15 (1:04.49)
2. John 11 (1:07.61)
3. Charlie 9 (1:06.28)
3. Mike 9 (1:06.95)
5. Simon L 7 (1:09.69)
6. Matt 5 (1:08.25)
7. Mark 2 (1:12.39)

C/D
1. Bart 22 (1:08.76)
2. Paul 19 (1:11.09)
3. Hugo 18 (1:10.91)
4. Amy 16 (1:11.17)
4. David 16 (1:11.15)
6. Simon B 14 (1:13)
7. Jules 13 (1:15.61)
8. Weiyun 12 (1:15.84)
9. Peter 11 (1:16.13)
10.Ian 10 (1:17.23)
11. Colin 9 (1:17.60)

E/F
1.Stuart 6 (1:21.76)
2. Andrew 4 (1:22.31)
3. Simon S 2 (1:24.01)
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Postby Strawburger » 07 Mar 2011, 07:57

G'day Simon, Not sure what happened to my one lap screamer time of 1:13? It may not have been recorded as i crossed the line at the same time as Simon S.

Too many Simon's in this post.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 08 Mar 2011, 05:53

I did have a memeroy of you being there but the results didn't. I'll add it in and have to fix up the whole point score.

Cheers Simon.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 08 Mar 2011, 06:32

Proposed dates are up & the only real clash is with the masters criterium championships. There's not much availability in this month. anyone entering will receive compensatory points for the point score, which will be the average of their placings in the first two races.

Simon.

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Postby Strawburger » 12 Apr 2011, 16:31

is round 2 still planned for this weekend?

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 12 Apr 2011, 17:32

is round 2 still planned for this weekend?
Yep track & sanctioning booked today.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 17 Apr 2011, 10:31

Round 2: Results (17/4/2011)

A/B Handicapp:
1. Simon L (b)
2. James (b)
3. John (a + Fastest Time)
4. Mike (a)
5.Charlie (2 laps down)
6. Mark (? laps down)
7. Simon C (?laps down)
8. Tim (DNF)

C/D
1.David O
2.Mick T
3.Peter O

E/F
1.Douglas
2.Eleri
3.Alison

Point Score - please let me know if I'm wrong because I didn't put up sir names I had to make a few assumptions of who was who.

A/B
1.John 17
2.Tim 16
3. Simon L 15
4.Mike 14
5.Charlie 13
6.James 7
7.Mark 5
7.Matt 5
9.Simon C 2

C/D
1.Bart 30
2.David O 27
3.Amy 24
4.Peter O 20
6.Paul 19
6. Ian 18
8.Simon B 14
9.Jules 13
10.Weiyun 12
11.Mick S 10
12.Colin 9
13.David L 8

Assumption because didn’t record last names; Peter O has raced 2 weeks, David L has raced 2 weeks

E/F
1.Stuart 6
2.Andrew 4
3. Douglas K 3
4. Eleri 2
4.Simon S 2
6.Alison G 1
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Postby PeterOS » 18 Apr 2011, 13:41

Simon,
Not sure of how the point scores go but i think there is a mistake in c/d grade both David O and myself were there last time, David scored 16pts last week and won this weeks crit yet only moved up the ladder 8pts the same as other people that didn't run a place or finish the race, and I only moved up 9pts !!

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 18 Apr 2011, 17:39

Hi peter,

I kind of figured there was a mistake but I couldn't work it out without working out who was who and I didn't keep surnames on the pointscore and haven't got around to finding the old sign on sheet.

The answer to the question is this, you did score 9 points for your 3rd place. so there were 11 riders in the grade, winner got 11, 2nd got 10 points, 3rd got 9 points. Now the problem with C/D is no-one claims their places past 3rd and
Lindsay tells me no else is finishing. So I have to decide what to do with the other 8 riders since they all score the same (DNF). So I decided I couldn't give them 1 point each because the same people will keeping placing and then after 3 weeks it will be pointless having 7 rounds. So I decided to give everyone else 8 points for all coming 4th. That way it keeps it closer and keeps everyone interested.

The main reason you didn't move up too far is that last week there were 2 events and thus double scoring with definitive places in the time trial, so a greater spread in the results. This week only 3 people really scoring. But if everybody could claim what place they drop out of the race in then this would make the pointscore more effective, like in A/B. But when we ask for everyone to claim their places no-one does.

As for David there were 2 racing and I didn't realise without surnames...

Cheers Simon.

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Postby mikesbytes » 18 Apr 2011, 23:41

Congratulations to David O on his first ever bike race win

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Postby bart » 22 Apr 2011, 06:56

The main reason you didn't move up too far is that last week there were 2 events and thus double scoring with definitive places in the time trial, so a greater spread in the results. This week only 3 people really scoring. But if everybody could claim what place they drop out of the race in then this would make the pointscore more effective, like in A/B. But when we ask for everyone to claim their places no-one does.
Hi Simon,

I think I dropped out with maybe 6 or 7 laps to go. Hope that helps.
Bart

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Postby Trav » 10 May 2011, 16:50

Hi! Simon L
I missed out on the last two race meets and would like to join this weekends Crit. I see that it's a team event and was wondering if that's going to make things difficult with points scoring and level. Also wondering if it's still on for this weekend??? Thanks.
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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 10 May 2011, 17:55

Hi! Simon L
I missed out on the last two race meets and would like to join this weekends Crit. I see that it's a team event and was wondering if that's going to make things difficult with points scoring and level. Also wondering if it's still on for this weekend??? Thanks.
Travis.

Racing is on see:
http://www.dhbc.org.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2426

As for you question the answer is yes all new riders are welcome & we will work it out on the day!

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 15 May 2011, 16:28

Round 3

Due to insufficient numbers the sceduled team time trial was changed to a handicapp. Here's the results and points score update.Comissaire Matt W reported;

"It was a beautiful, cool morning at Dunc today. We had about a dozen riders all up, so split them into 3 grades for a handicap, with C having 5 laps start on B who then had 3 laps start on A. By halfway through the 40 lap race it looked likely that B grade were going to win overall, and that's the way it turned out, with B catching C and A failing to catch B."

Results:

Overall (and B grade):
1. Anthony PB
2. Travis
3. Amy

C grade:
1. Alison
2. Andrew

A grade:
1. Simon L.
2. Alex C.
3. John N.



Round 3 Point Score Update!

Point Score - please let me know if I'm wrong because I didn't put up sir names I had to make a few assumptions of who was who.

A/B
1.John 19
1. Simon L 19
2.Tim 17
4.Mike 14
5.Charlie 13
6. Matt 12
7.James 7
8.Mark 5
9. Alex C 3
10.Simon C 2

C/D
1.Bart 30
2.David O 27
2. Amy 27
4.Peter O 20
6.Paul 19
6. Ian 18
8.Simon B 14
9.Jules 13
10.Weiyun 12
11.Mick S 10
12.Colin 9
13.David L 8
14. Anthony PB 5
15. Travis 4
16. Anthony Ph 2
16. Rhys 2

E/F
1.Stuart 6
2.Andrew 5
3. Douglas K 3
3.Alison G 3
5. Eleri 2
5.Simon S 2
4.Alison G 3
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Postby T-Bone » 15 May 2011, 21:05

You forgot the Commissaire points for Matt! I can't remember what we decided on though.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 16 May 2011, 07:34

You forgot the Commissaire points for Matt! I can't remember what we decided on though.
We decided on 7 points but that was based on the belief that we would get maybe 10 riders every months, yesterday we only had 4. Since it would only move Matt closer to the competitive end and not the lead, I'm happy to give them?

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Postby mikesbytes » 01 Jun 2011, 22:50

4. June (likely 12/06/2011). Points race. Races will be over a certain time ie 30mins with an allocated number of sprints, for example commisaires will attempt to to break up the sprints fairly like at 10 minute intervals but will be based on safety and position of the bunches. Bunches will receive the bell on a sprint lap. Riders must remember their own number of points and claim their place at the finish. points per sprint will be will based on rider numbers and announced on the day.
Hi Simon, this is on the long weekend, is this date set?

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 02 Jun 2011, 07:26

Hi Simon, this is on the long weekend, is this date set?
It looks like it may well have to be because the NSW team time trial is on the weekend after and and the week after that is probably abit too late in the month. The monday could be a possibility as well.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 03 Jun 2011, 17:41

Monday 13th of June for round 4.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 17 Aug 2011, 12:58

As we are now coming towards round six and a lot of rounds have rained out. There are a lot of people tied on points and in order to decide the final placings, count backs may be needed. For this competition count backs will done on first who got the most 1st places in their grade over the seven rounds. If this is equal it will be who got the most 2nd places, and if this cannot decide the result 3rd places will be used. If still undecided then the placing in the final race will be used.

Prizes:
-I am negotiating prizes this week and will work out down to what place will receive a prize in each grade.
-Post round 7 an awards ceremony will be held either later that day or on another night. Riders must attend this ceremony to receive their prize.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 21 Aug 2011, 11:34

Round 6 cancelled due to insufficient numbers. Simon S attended so was given one point and DOugie a point for last month. One round to go!

Point Score -

A/B
1.John 19
1. Simon L 19
2.Tim 17
4.Mike 14
5.Charlie 13
6. Matt 12
7.James 7
8.Mark 5
9. Alex C 3
10.Simon C 2

C/D
1.Bart 30
2.David O 27
2. Amy 27
4.Peter O 21
6.Paul 19
6. Ian 18
8.Simon B 14
9.Jules 13
10.Weiyun 12
11.Mick S 10
12.Colin 9
13.David L 8
14. Anthony PB 5
15. Travis 4
16. Anthony Ph 2
16. Rhys 2

E/F
1.Stuart 6
2.Andrew 5
3. Douglas K 4
4.5.Simon S 3
4.Alison G 3
6. Eleri 2
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Postby PeterOS » 22 Aug 2011, 13:56

I waited at the corner of Georges River & Milton till 7.0am but no one came so I went home. Doesn't that get a point ?

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 22 Aug 2011, 14:50

I waited at the corner of Georges River & Milton till 7.0am but no one came so I went home. Doesn't that get a point ?
Sounds fair enough. updated.

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Postby Simon Llewellyn » 26 Sep 2011, 09:00

So after 7 rounds; 3 ridden, 3 washed out & 1 not participated. Here's the final standings, I wrote previously that the count back would go on wins so I've added the count back results, interestingly on both occasions the person with less wins has more places so it depends on what is more valued?

DHBC - Bernard Criterium Series

Final Results -

A/B
1. Simon L 19 (W-2 2nd- 0 3rd -1)
1. John 19 (W-1 2nd -1 3rd -2)
3.Tim 17
4.Mike 14
5.Charlie 13
6. Matt 12
7.James 7
8.Mark 5
9. Alex C 3
10.Simon C 2

C/D
1.Bart 30
2.David O 27 (W-1 2nd-0 3rd- 0)
2. Amy 27(W-0 2nd- 0 3rd-2)
4.Peter O 21
6.Paul 19
6. Ian 18
8.Simon B 14
9.Jules 13
10.Weiyun 12
11.Mick S 10
12.Colin 9
13.David L 8
14. Anthony PB 5
15. Travis 4
16. Anthony Ph 2
16. Rhys 2

E/F
1.Stuart 6
2.Andrew 5
3. Douglas K 4
4.5.Simon S 3
4.Alison G 3
6. Eleri 2


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