Club Crit this weekend 20/12/2009!!

[Simon Llewellyn]

Criterium Racing: This Sunday 20/12/2009
Location: Dunc Gray Criterium circuit
Start time: 7:30am- 8am
Expected finish time: 8:30am-9:30am
Grades: Slowies (C), Middies (B), Fasties (A)
Cost: $5 for racing
Prize money: nil.
Distance: approx 30kms but based on your handicapp. Racing works so that riders are given an allocated start & thus an equal chance of winning!!!

The plan is that everybody meet at Mick Mazza's at 6:30am as usual & ride out together race & ride back as like last month. The route has been found to be suprisingly safer & quieter than expected.

If anybody chooses to drive out or is coming from another direction & doesn't know where dunc Gray is; here's the map:
http://www.nsw.cycling.org.au/default.asp?id=29416


Starting order: B, A, C, D

Current handicapps: (but can be subject to change on race day)

Scratch (A): (pass B twice, Pass C 4 times, pass D 5 times)

Simon L
ALex C

B (1.5 lap; pass C 3 times, Pass D 4 times-- Not be passed by A twice)

James F
Tim L
Tim B
Alex R
Matt W
Christian
Mikebytes
Mark L
Simon C
James M
John N


C (4 Laps; Pass D once--- not be passed by A 4 times, B 3 times)

Langdon
Chidgey
Amy
Adrian E
Ian D
Chris H
Weiyun
Geoff M

D (5laps; Not be passed by A 5 times, B 4 times, C once)

David L
Chris Thompson
Nick B
Lindsay M
Victoria
Joanne
Camilla
Jessica

[shrubb face]

I'm very much interested. I want to win that bloody hamper.

[Trouty]

I'm very much interested. I want to win that bloody hamper.

Depends how late we get back from Illawarra? WOn't all you boys want to have a sleep in...I am sure I will? If we get enough riders in the low grade, I will try and wake up.

[geoff m]

Cmon guys,

This is a great crit and Simon has done a great job to build this race up from nothing. James F even tested his head on the wire fence at the sharp bend down the bottom of the track.

Its fun the more people we have as its so much easier to race in small groups of 4 people plus each grade, as opposed to one or two.

A big call out for those in C and D Grade.

Show your public support below for those who can race.

For those without a racing licence, please let us know you can come out for the ride to watch - its a really nice ride out.

Also, there is a prize.

Its a monthly hamper prize from our new SPONSOR, Marrickville Road Cafe.

Was it you Christian who won it last time? If so, can you elaborate on the goodies you recieved.

[geoff m]

I'm a starter - C Grade.

I want that hamper.

[NOOG]

I'll be there. I'm not sure how my legs will be after the 200km+ ride with Vic on Saturday though.

[wallman]

I'm in.

[Simon Llewellyn]

Depends how late we get back from Illawarra? WOn't all you boys want to have a sleep in...I am sure I will? If we get enough riders in the low grade, I will try and wake up.

It will probably be a late return, may not be too bad though, we used to always ride waterfall after opens. In terms of the low grade you guys/girls will all have to work it out. I've noticed that since starting this event there has always been a chorum of about 8 guys who generally always show up for the faster grades despite ability as there is still a pretty big gap between the fasties, but the slower grades will only ever enter if they have people to ride with, despite having a handicapp to make for some fun racing. I have no real control over the slower groups as I can't lead that one by example, so you guys/girls will have to???

I was going to try and make it abit more interesting this time round by creating a team event but I don't think we will really get the numbers for it this time. But I am happy to run the Crit again even if it is low numbers as it's always good fun!!!!

[weiyun]

Last race for the year. I'll be there.

[Julio]

Hamper?...hmm I like food. I am up for it

[orphic]

I'll be there. I'm not sure how my legs will be after the 200km+ ride with Vic on Saturday though.

+1. But I will be there to drop off the back of D grade...

[weiyun]

So just to clarify this handicap rule. Can lower grade riders jump on a higher passing grade?

[kiwiames]

no weiyun, i did that awhile ago and was DQ'd!

[wallman]

So just to clarify this handicap rule. Can lower grade riders jump on a higher passing grade?

Only if you're on the same lap.

[orphic]

no weiyun, i did that awhile ago and was DQ'd!

But I bet it was worth it?

[weiyun]

Thanks for the clarifications. So it sounds like we all need to count laps and the number of times we've been passed and by whom (apart from SimonL and AlexC). Otherwise does anyone remember how many laps each grade has to do? 30km at 800m/lap?

Amy, you weren't the only DQ'ed rider in our club crit, nor the first. I was DQ'ed in the first event for getting back to the correct grade after the first 2 laps.

[weiyun]

BTW, can we show up like this?

[kiwiames]

who holds the invisable pink jersery?
i think its camilla.

whenever i race our club crit i never know where i am in the race, or how many laps to go. its gets a bit muddled towards the end.

and yes vic it was worth it

[mikesbytes]

I can tell you, at the last crit where I ran the lap board it was dam difficult to tell what lap everyone was on.

I recommend that you work out how many laps you are ahead of Simon/Alex C and you subtract that from the lap board. Each time they lap you, you reduce the subtraction by one.

[Trouty]

I have no real control over the slower groups as I can't lead that one by example, so you guys/girls will have to???

Ok ok Simon, you have made me feel guilty enough!! I will just have to make sure some one wakes me up in time for the next morning...then I should be in. As the captain...you better make sure the bunch goes out slow enough on the way out to Dunc..I don't want to die before I get there. See you Sunday? Kiwi Aimes are you in?

[Michael Chidgey]

are the other clubs going to come for this one again? the larger groups last time made it a lot more enjoyable.

[weiyun]

I can tell you, at the last crit where I ran the lap board it was dam difficult to tell what lap everyone was on.

We need electronic transponders for our crits!

[mikesbytes]

Ideally we need 4 people doing lap counting and 4 lap boards, but that ain't going to happen.

Some of bike computers have a lap function, so if your really concerned, then there's yet another opportunity for bike shopp'n

[kiwiames]

my god mike, thats confusing just reading it while sitting down! imagine when racing ... i will have no idea. there needs to be some kind of method.

yea jo probably. will depend after illawarra.

[orphic]

Sounds like most people will have done some form of smashing themselves on Saturday, so at least we'll be on even ground.

[weiyun]

my god mike, thats confusing just reading it while sitting down! imagine when racing ... i will have no idea. there needs to be some kind of method.

I think each of the grade bunches will need to work together and do the count together. Amy, if you breakaway from the rest of us, then we won't count for you.

[kiwiames]

Hmm ok, there needs to be a lap counting method Weiyun as ive never raced the club crit and known when the last lap is - or where i am in the race. if each grade can count each lap and know how many times theyve been passed - sounds great, but there will be confusion if nobody else knows.

[weiyun]

If the rest are confused, then we will claim the win and the hamper. Sounds good to me!

[kiwiames]

whatabout since your counting for me i just draft you the entire time?

[mikesbytes]

Amy, all you need to do is ride A grade, then the lap board will be correct

[weiyun]

whatabout since your counting for me i just draft you the entire time?

Errr... Are you sure that's fair?

[kiwiames]

no thanks mike i got lapped enough times on sat nite.

[Anthony]

Sweet! club crit is back, i'm in! is there a group riding out from Mick Mazza's in the morning?

[weiyun]

Yep, 6:30 at the usual place for the ride out. I am already itchy to count laps... 1, 2, 3, 4,... To infinity and beyond...

[Stuart]

OK - If Cycling Australia ever answer their phone I'll have racing licence before Sun and I'm in for this which means we NEED AN E GRADE for "the real slowies". Surely E must get 7 laps to encourage the really unfit to race?

[weiyun]

Good on you Stuart for giving it a go! Otherwise I thought that a payment receipt (see Lindsay) is good enough.

[Rainbow]

Ha, brilliant idea Stuart!

I'll be at the next one, hopefully with my new road bike and I'll join you in E grade

[Simon Llewellyn]

OK - If Cycling Australia ever answer their phone I'll have racing licence before Sun and I'm in for this which means we NEED AN E GRADE for "the real slowies". Surely E must get 7 laps to encourage the really unfit to race?

Stuart I will give you your own Handicapp if you come out & race & if there is anyone else of your speed they can join you!!

[Trouty]

Stuart I will give you your own Handicapp if you come out & race & if there is anyone else of your speed they can join you!!

Does that mean I can race with Stuart's grade? Sounds good to me.

[weiyun]

Does that mean I can race with Stuart's grade? Sounds good to me.

I think we'll all join you. It's called "criterium minor".

[micklan]

OK - If Cycling Australia ever answer their phone

I'm valid to 31/12 trying to renew online - not working - and yes no-one answers the phone there...boo hoo

[mikesbytes]

Stuart I will give you your own Handicapp if you come out & race & if there is anyone else of your speed they can join you!!

Last time we had Southern Cross Juniors, so we had A, B, C, D and Junior

[AnthonyI]

I've just upgraded my recreational licence to a race licence so I'm in for this Sunday. Can't wait...first crit..very exciting.

I suppose I'll be in D grade..or keep Stuart company in E?

For the others trying to get in touch with Cycling Australia, try calling them on 9339-5800. The number printed on the existing licence cards (9664-3002) might be for their old premises.

[Stuart]

For the others trying to get in touch with Cycling Australia, try calling them on 9339-5800. The number printed on the existing licence cards (9664-3002) might be for their old premises.

They are there today I tried the number yesterday and no answer. I've now upgraded my licence too so I'm in - E grade can start with D grade (for the tow) but get 2 laps credited - sounds fair to me !!

[Adrian E]

Question? Do you really need a small chain ring on the Dunc Gray crit course?
I've got a dodgy TA 39T that the chain isn't sitting on well so I just keep it in the big ring.

[T-Bone]

Big ring is fine!!!

I'm going to have to miss this one, as i have to get to work by 10am, damn these christmas shoppers!!!!

[mikesbytes]

Stuart,

It will be a pleasure to see you out there on Sunday

Last time I started E grade / Juniors 15 seconds after D grade, but they ran one less lap than D grade.

You should go fine with that

[timyone]

im only a maybe, im going out after the open the night before, if its a really late night ill consider turning up on the motor bike just.

[MarkL]

l'm in

[Simon Llewellyn]

Official Results:

Winner: Ian Denker, first to finish without colluding with another bunch

Order of finish:
1 Tomas Golan (DSQ for Collusion)
2 Alex Chubb (finished in B grade)
3 Timl L (1 lap up & possibly winner as first finisher but DSQ for Collusion)
4 Matt Wallman (1 lap up but DSQ for Collusion)

Due to too much difficulty running race formt will now change, please vote on the poll

[orphic]

Well done Ian.

Sorry I didn't make it out, I had all intentions but a full day of riding yesterday meant I needed more sleep than usual!

[weiyun]

Great race and love that track.

Getting A and B DQ'ed seemed to be an excellent strategy for us C graders and good on Ian for picking up the hamper. Making all the C grade bunch work worthwhile.

[Simon Llewellyn]

Great race and love that track.

Getting A and B DQ'ed seemed to be an excellent strategy for us C graders and good on Ian for picking up the hamper. Making all the C grade bunch work worthwhile.

It was a pretty harsh decision but I guess rules are rules & it sets a precedent of sorts....

[mikesbytes]

Well Done Ian, the hamper looks great.

If I understand Chris correctly, B grade actually rode 40 laps, one lap more than the designated 39 laps.

I know how difficult it is to do Chris's job.

[weiyun]

It was a pretty harsh decision but I guess rules are rules & it sets a precedent of sorts....

I don't think that can be called a decision but an automatic DQ. IIRC, that specific rule was explained to everyone at the starting line and is a standard rule used in all similar races across the world.

[Ian]

I am not complaining. Very nice hamper. I thought C grade worked well together. Ian "Bradbury" Dencker. PS special thanks to Thomas.

[mikesbytes]

Actually, I've realised that the real winner was Peter in E grade, as;
- C grade were DQ'd when they tacked onto B grade which Tomas did a pull.

- D grade were DQ'd when they tacked onto me after I overtook them after being dropped.


Peter claim your prize LOL

[weiyun]

E grade "bunch" made a sudden side-way split across the track right in front of the C bunch during an overtake, causing unnecessary hold ups. So E was also DQ'ed early in the race.

[Trouty]

- D grade were DQ'd when they tacked onto me after I overtook them after being dropped.

Correction: D grade were never Dq'd. Anthony, Jules, Hugh, Colin and I pretty much raced our own race the whole way through. So technically do we win!!! Yay...Thanks Ian, we will come and connect the Hamper

[weiyun]

Correction: D grade were never Dq'd. Anthony, Jules, Hugh, Colin and I pretty much raced our own race the whole way through. So technically do we win!!! Yay...Thanks Ian, we will come and connect the Hamper

Sorry Jo, UCI Technical Director has just issued a violation notice on your use of a junior frame to gain that extra aero and speed advantage. So effectively you've been DQ'ed along with anyone who drafted off you in D.

[micklan]

dropped by C grade & ambling along... then Stuart & Peter overtook me - Stuart nearly fell of his bike with glee...

[Stuart]

Sorry Jo, UCI Technical Director has just issued a violation notice on your use of a junior frame to gain that extra aero and speed advantage. So effectively you've been DQ'ed along with anyone who drafted off you in D.

Pity...I could almost smell that hamper. Better luck next month. I will make sure the UCI checks that every thing on my bike is race compliant. Oops - this was Jo not Stuart.

[Camilla]

I'm sorry I wasn't there to defend the (slightly dubiously obtained) pink jersey, but it sounds like everyone was DQ'd so perhaps I still retain it?

[Stuart]

E grade "bunch" made a sudden side-way split across the track right in front of the C bunch during an overtake, causing unnecessary hold ups. So E was also DQ'ed early in the race.

I resent the insinuation that E grade got in anyone's way I had to go right and Pete left given the positions we were was on the track in those corners and the speed that B&C came up behind us with little warning - you guys were going too fast !!!!

[weiyun]

...you guys were going too fast !!!!

That's called racing!

[mikesbytes]

This thread is way to funny, perhaps we should call Mark L the winner because he retired before B was disqualified

[weiyun]

This thread is way to funny, perhaps we should call Mark L the winner because he retired before B was disqualified

I am sure I can think of something to DQ MarkL. Just give me a few moments.

[weiyun]

That's it! By retiring so early, MarkL showed contempt of the club, the renowned Race, race organizers, sponsors, fellow racers and wasted potential training benefits. So position nullified.