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Postby Eleri » 06 Apr 2014, 16:26

RAW track will be coming soon and will be updated here when there is an announcement.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 21 May 2014, 12:40

20th of June!!!

Let the games begin
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Postby Stuart » 21 May 2014, 21:36

and BTW; RAW = Race All Winter ... (or in my case, home alone or out on the tiles on Friday night all winter)

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Postby timyone » 04 Jun 2014, 13:10

Is it not time for a name change to race most or part if winter? RPOW or RMOW

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Postby colin » 04 Jun 2014, 15:35

and in case your stuck in Brisbane with you track bike, they are running a winter series every fortnight which started on the 16th May

http://www.velodromeshop.net/index.php?p=page&page_id=vsevents

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Postby jcaley » 16 Jun 2014, 13:15

RAW starts this Friday! Woohoo!
The RAW forum is at http://www.rawtrack.com.au/ From there you can find links to general info explanations of the races, the points system etc.
Other possibly useful info for newbies.
You need a race licence to enter
You get 4 different races each week in your chosen division.
Arrive by 6pm to get signed in and to have a chance to warm up
If you've never raced on Dunc Gray or equivalent, you must? race in the novice division for at least the first week.
Last year, the juniors on restricted gearing mostly raced separate from the adults in division 5 (they had to split the field because of numbers)
Finishes around 9.30pm
There is a personal points tally over the 13 weeks
There is a club points competition which DHBC has won for the last few years
There's usually a big DHBC contingent and a great atmosphere!
The draft program is
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Bring it!
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Postby Stuart » 17 Jun 2014, 10:27

re the club points competition: The "last few years' is actually the last five, yes count 'em, FIVE years straight.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 22 Jun 2014, 20:36

I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?

1 Dulwich Hill 236
2 Lidcombe 168

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Postby Eleri » 22 Jun 2014, 21:17

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?

1 Dulwich Hill 236
2 Lidcombe 168


Who you calling a novice? Just because you beat me ...

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 23 Jun 2014, 01:42

I've just worked it out; you, Trouty, and Lizanne are doing this:
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Postby Trouty » 23 Jun 2014, 06:35

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:I've just worked it out; you, Trouty, and Lizanne are doing this:
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There's only 2 short people in that picture so I can see where your calculation skills come from. lizannes now with Stg, but you've just declared war with all the DHBC shorties! Be careful out on the track BFV, midgets can be lethal. Be afraid...be very afraid!

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Postby jcaley » 23 Jun 2014, 11:01

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?


Nah - only one novice last week but more are threatening to come. There's a few DHBC members who don't wear the DHBC jersey (or sit in the same area) so counting jerseys might not work. Then there was Sarah Zanzi and Ruby taking the trifecta in one race - that helps.

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Postby mikesbytes » 23 Jun 2014, 14:21

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?
Don't worry BFV, I'll join you in B grade in a couple of weeks when I finish up working on Friday nights

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 23 Jun 2014, 16:11

jcaley wrote:
bigfriendlyvegan wrote:I counted the jerseys. I did! You've loaded the novices again, haven't you?


Nah - only one novice last week but more are threatening to come. There's a few DHBC members who don't wear the DHBC jersey (or sit in the same area) so counting jerseys might not work. Then there was Sarah Zanzi and Ruby taking the trifecta in one race - that helps.


Bloody secret agents, trying to look normal and fit in with the humans.

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Postby Artson » 26 Jun 2014, 17:32

This week’s Program
• Round 1 warm up Scratch
• Round 2 no race (wheel-races run at best every second week pending sponsor)
• Round 3 Win’n’Out
• Round 4 Div 5 Scratch Race, Div 4-2 Madi-Lead Div 1 Madison

• Round 5 Combines + Time Blaster 8:45 for $50

Blue indicates Series Points scoring rounds

Explain these races
Win’N’ Out This is the opposite of a Miss’N’Out race. After a designated number of laps a whistle is blown for the first sprint. The winner of the first sprint is deemed the winner of the race and allowed to carefully withdraw from the race. Each proceeding lap sprint will produce the consecutive places from 2nd to 4th. Tip if you go for a sprint make sure you win it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28iqHThZ ... re=channel

Madilead- The pace in this race is set by a Madison team (see Madison). The bunch follows the Madison team for ??laps until, with 5 laps remaining the Madison leaders take off leaving the bunch to sought out the winner in scratch race style finish. The Idea of this race is to allow the lower grades to experience following a Madison change (which is a key skill in learning to ride a madison). The pace of this race can often change with the experienced leaders putting in a few hard attacks to stir up the bunch.

Madison- A high speed, two person continuous race relay. Think of tag team wrestling meets track cycling - while one partner is racing the other is resting at the top of the track. This race is named after Madison Square Garden in New York where the event was first held. Two man teams contest the event, which is typically an endurance event. Only one rider from each team is allowed in the race at a given time, meaning that teams must take it in turn each lap (or more) to have a rider in the race. Changeovers are quite dangerous, but impressive to watch when done well - one rider circles around waiting for his teammate, who joins hands and imparts his momentum to the slower rider. At RAW Track we usually ride this on a scratch race format reference http://www.cyclingnews.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XZ4_QbZ ... re=channel



Note $50 for time blaster. (No sponsor)
• The time blaster prize and jack-pot in 2014 is only $50
• In the past it has always been $100 but this year we have no sponsor.
• If a sponsor wants to pop in $300 we can go back to $100 per Time Blaster
• The (insert name) Time Blaster

Non Madison
• Div 1 riders who are not riding the madison are invited to ride the Div 2 Madi-Lead
• Whilst results will be recorded, only the top 4 div 2 riders will receive points towards the overall series.



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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 29 Jun 2014, 20:10

1 Dulwich Hill 512
2 Lidcombe 485

Red everywhere...but we're getting closer.
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Postby Artson » 30 Jun 2014, 21:30

Hey Big friendly Vegan
Surely with your wit you meant to caption the above post with:
"Red everywhere...but we're about to Ketchup"

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 02 Jul 2014, 14:26

Brilliant, you're hired as my new writer.

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Postby Artson » 04 Jul 2014, 00:18

Ok... So over the last two weeks 2 people have said the background music isn't up to scratch. Hence if two people say it that means 20 people are thinking it.
Music has always been a topic for discussion and abuse. So lets put it out there.


Step 1:Create a themed play list to last at least 2 1/2 hours
Step 2: email me pcraft@vtown.com.au by the Tuesday prior to the coming Friday.
Step 3: create a codename for your music: "DHBC Hipsters" or "Generation Y" so on, so on........ Your code name must identify with you somehow. That is you can not hide behind this codename.
Step 4: Put it on a device and "BRING IT" we will play it.

Each week in the "This Week" Post I will announce who is the guest DJ.

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Some basic rules
1. Minimal swearing (does not rule out isolated bad language)
2. No racist or hate based music (and the like)
3. Please be mindful of the broad spectrum of people RAW attracts
4. All other music is welcome unless it falls into the category of country or western, I hate that *censored*!

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Postby ratzzzzz » 04 Jul 2014, 08:16

Am intending on going out tonight - do I do my license upgrade from silver to gold there?

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Postby Nozzle » 04 Jul 2014, 08:26

License will need to be sorted with Cycling NSW / Australia. You will at least need the receipt or license number as proof. If unsure give them a call.

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Postby shrubb face » 04 Jul 2014, 08:53

ratzzzzz wrote:Am intending on going out tonight - do I do my license upgrade from silver to gold there?


Yes, you will need a gold license to be able to race. As Noel said you'll have to do that through the cycling Aus website. I believe 6 month licenses are now available for the remainder of this year, so it should cost you less than normal.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 06 Jul 2014, 23:06

1 Dulwich Hill 938
2 Lidcombe 822

68 -> 27 ->116?
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To console myself, I've been working on a playlist. Since it has to be representative of me, I was going to start with "Meat is Murder", but The Smiths are way too hipster for a suburban boy like me.

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So I thought I'd go for a complete slam poetry theme. Do you think I should start with this?

http://youtu.be/cAMM-pZLXyQ

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 15 Jul 2014, 22:32

1 Dulwich Hill 1322
2 Lidcombe 1075

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2 Lidcombe 1075
3 Illawarra 537

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Postby mikesbytes » 16 Jul 2014, 09:30

Looks like I can continue to kick back on Friday nights

Not a bad total for Illawarra, its a bit of a drive

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 20 Jul 2014, 22:29

1 Dulwich Hill 1836
2 Lidcombe 1396


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Postby Trouty » 25 Jul 2014, 21:38

Big friendly Vegan: I won't tell LACC we worked together in the wheel race, even tho the plan failed any way.......we tried :(.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 26 Jul 2014, 00:52

I'll work with anyone to beat a Dulwich Hill rider, even another Dulwich Hill rider.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."

—Jens Voigt's philosophy about breakaways.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 28 Jul 2014, 23:52

1 Dulwich Hill 2076
2 Lidcombe 1588

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 05 Aug 2014, 11:53

1 Dulwich Hill 2350
2 Lidcombe 1890

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But the gap has reduced, slightly.

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Postby mikesbytes » 05 Aug 2014, 20:06

26 points?

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 12 Aug 2014, 00:33

1 Dulwich Hill 2678
2 Lidcombe 2047

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I've given up. See you in the finals.

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Postby Eleri » 12 Aug 2014, 07:22

DHBC - powered by the next 3 generations of latte loving, inner-westie hipsters.

Apparently. :-)

But now you've analysed our secret to winning the Italian Pursuit ...

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Postby jcaley » 15 Aug 2014, 08:54

http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,737.0.htmlTeams Night tonight! That means your race points go towards your team and the team points decide the draw for the Italian comp at the end of the night. Your team's italian pursuit placing determines the bonus points added to your TWE total. Confusing? Ah well, it's a chance to get to know riders from other clubs.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 18 Aug 2014, 00:10

1 Dulwich Hill 2998
2 Lidcombe 2205

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Postby Eleri » 18 Aug 2014, 06:53

C'mon you LACC mob! Don't give up now - there's still 4 weeks to go.

Get 25 extra people to turn up each night and you'll be in with a chance. Even if they don't actually win anything.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 20 Aug 2014, 19:01

Eleri wrote:C'mon you LACC mob! Don't give up now - there's still 4 weeks to go.

Get 25 extra people to turn up each night and you'll be in with a chance. Even if they don't actually win anything.


Not happening. We have several people out with the flu, including me. I may miss my first night of RAW for 5 years. I'm not happy about it.

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Postby mikesbytes » 20 Aug 2014, 22:23

Bummer mate, take care

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Postby jcaley » 21 Aug 2014, 13:57

This week at RAW there's a wheel race , 1.5 lap screamers, a Poker Race, and $150 for the time blaster http://www.rawtrack.com.au/index.php/topic,740.0.html
Only 4 weeks left until the finals night on 12 September - still time join the fun

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Postby jcaley » 26 Aug 2014, 13:43

More great photos by Joshua Nicholson of last week's RAW at raw-track-week-10. He's happy for anyone to use the images for personal use and repost with crediting but I also noticed a donate button at the bottom of the page if you feel moved that way.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 26 Aug 2014, 22:47

1 Dulwich Hill 3282
2 Lidcombe 2269

I'll do anything to stop DHBC getting points.

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Postby Eleri » 27 Aug 2014, 07:53

Twelve new people to race each of the next 3 weeks. You'll be right! No pressure.

Being minor premiers is one thing, there's that Italian Pursuit ...

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 02 Sep 2014, 21:33

Well, it looks like it's LACC vs DHBC in the final ride off. Numbers are irrelevant at this point.

1 Dulwich Hill - Who Cares?
2 Lidcombe - Not quite as much.

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See you on the final night.

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Postby jcaley » 04 Sep 2014, 13:46

Second last week at RAW has a wheel race, kierans, and a Crafty special - a miss n out with extras!

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 10 Sep 2014, 00:08

With the upcoming ride off for the club championships, the truth can finally be revealed about your club.

Watch this video:

http://youtu.be/8lCnPzSkeT0

Shots fired!
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See you on the boards on Friday night.

(Sorry for the bad sound and slight synching problems near the end. I have the ideas, but don't have the technical experience or time to make it perfect)

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Postby ratzzzzz » 10 Sep 2014, 06:45

Hahaha, brilliant!

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Postby Peter T » 10 Sep 2014, 18:54

BFV - that is wonderful!

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Postby timyone » 10 Sep 2014, 19:43

lol!!! love the vid!!

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Postby shrubb face » 10 Sep 2014, 21:42

Awesome video :)

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Postby shrubb face » 10 Sep 2014, 21:51

Our team for Friday night.

Female – Zanzi Hocknell
Female 40+ Jo Troutman
U17 – Bro Caley
U19 – Tom Clarke
35+ Eleri Morgan Thomas
45+ John Caley
Open – James Fowler
Open – Ben Fox
Open – Michael Chidgey
Open – Alex Chubb

Reserves: Sarah Harvey & Eric McDonald

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Postby blah » 12 Sep 2014, 14:45

That video is hilarious!

In the past few years we've won the club championships at RAW purely due to weight of numbers



I just got back from my trip to the Apple Store:
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I had a nice chat with the Genius(TM) there about the finer points of beard grooming, and he showed me how to crunch some numbers on my brand new MacBook Air.

Anxious to try my newfound skillz (and not a moment before I put a mustache sticker on the Apple logo), I downloaded the RAW points spreadsheet and did some crunching just like the Genius(TM) taught me, which I am now able to upload thanks to this unprotected WiFi network I found near my cardboard box in St. Peters.

They show that even if a metric was used that didn't advantage the club due to attendance, we would still be sitting well ahead of LACC. Once you take the attendance points out, our average number of points won per rider (17.5) is a fair bit higher than theirs (13.182):

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Pos  Club                Riders  Pts   Avg      Pts no base  Avg no base
1    Penrith             8       773   96.625   213          26.625
7    Dulwich Hill        40      3770  94.250   700          17.500
11   Lidcombe            33      2625  79.545   435          13.182



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Pos  Club                Riders  Pts   Avg      Pts no base  Avg no base
1    Penrith             8       773   96.625   213          26.625
2    St George           14      1460  104.286  370          26.429
3    Sutherland          4       438   109.500  98           24.500
4    Bicisport           10      904   90.400   214          21.400
5    Illawarra           16      1457  91.062   327          20.438
6    Parramatta          9       930   103.333  170          18.889
7    Dulwich Hill        40      3770  94.250   700          17.500
8    Vikings             3       250   83.333   50           16.667
9    SUVelo              10      872   87.200   162          16.200
10   Southern Cross      10      740   74.000   160          16.000
11   Lidcombe            33      2625  79.545   435          13.182
12   Peloton Sports      2       205   102.500  25           12.500
13   Australian DF       6       453   75.500   73           12.167
14   Canberra            7       471   67.286   71           10.143
15   Randwick Botany     9       606   67.333   86           9.556
16   Hunter Dist         17      950   55.882   140          8.235
17   Harliquin           1       87    87.000   7            7.000
18   Northern Sydney     12      773   64.417   83           6.917
19   Bankstown           7       346   49.429   46           6.571
20   Marconi             4       146   36.500   26           6.500
21   Goulburn            3       219   73.000   19           6.333
22   Central Coast       13      709   54.538   79           6.077
23   Tamworth            3       168   56.000   18           6.000
24   Manly               4       234   58.500   24           6.000
25   ANU                 6       285   47.500   35           5.833
26   Muswellbrook        4       183   45.750   23           5.750
27   Waratah             7       356   50.857   36           5.143
28   Armadale            1       35    35.000   5            5.000
29   TBC                 1       35    35.000   5            5.000
30   Southern Highlands  5       208   41.600   18           3.600
31   Hobart Wheelers     1       33    33.000   3            3.000
32   Nowra Velo          1       52    52.000   2            2.000
33   Uni QLD             1       32    32.000   2            2.000
34   FCC                 1       42    42.000   2            2.000
35   Coffs Harbour       1       32    32.000   2            2.000
36   Manning Valley      1       32    32.000   2            2.000
37   Eastern Suburbs     2       73    36.500   3            1.500
38   Kooragang           3       164   54.667   4            1.333
39   South Australia     1       31    31.000   1            1.000
40   Scottland           1       31    31.000   1            1.000
41   Bathurst            2       61    30.500   1            0.500
42   Day                 9       321   35.667   1            0.111
43   BMX Aus             1       40    40.000   0            0.000


I tried to upload the entire points spreadsheet as JSON but it said I'm not sufficiently hip to post a message that long. If anyone is interested, I'll snapgram it to your whatsbook.

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 12 Sep 2014, 23:54

An interesting analysis. Please re-analyse to rank clubs by average weight and see where you are then.

(Actually, a couple of guys from SUVelo and Parra were talking to me about the club points and suggested that this sort of analysis should determine the club championships. It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.)

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Postby blah » 13 Sep 2014, 00:46

An interesting analysis. Please re-analyse to rank clubs by average weight and see where you are then.

Trying to choke back the tears as the spoon goes back into the tub of ice cream for the last of the melted dregs.

It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.

You're absolutely right, I hadn't considered that. You can see exactly what you describe up the top of the table. There would be a perverse penalty for getting more riders along to have a go, which seems like it would be contrary to the spirit of the whole occasion.

I don't really think it should be done by average points per rider anyway, it was just a stupid metric specifically crafted to convey a smug sense of hipster superiority. I had a bit of a pow wow with the data scientist at work trying to find some really clever ways to (mis)represent the data to further the DHBC cause, but unfortunately everything else that we came up with just made LACC look good. Naturally, that spreadsheet was promptly deleted ;)

Nice work with tonight's video too, that was a total cack!

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Postby utopia » 13 Sep 2014, 10:39

Great job throughout the series BFV!
I'm surprised Rockhold or Bisping haven't hired you to do their fight promotion yet.
See you RAW 2015!

bigfriendlyvegan
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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 13 Sep 2014, 21:32

blah wrote:
It's obviously not going to work though, since very small clubs can skew the results in the same way that very big clubs skew the current point system.

You're absolutely right, I hadn't considered that. You can see exactly what you describe up the top of the table. There would be a perverse penalty for getting more riders along to have a go, which seems like it would be contrary to the spirit of the whole occasion.

I don't really think it should be done by average points per rider anyway, it was just a stupid metric specifically crafted to convey a smug sense of hipster superiority. I had a bit of a pow wow with the data scientist at work trying to find some really clever ways to (mis)represent the data to further the DHBC cause, but unfortunately everything else that we came up with just made LACC look good. Naturally, that spreadsheet was promptly deleted ;)

Nice work with tonight's video too, that was a total cack!


Thanks blah, whoever you are. I encourage you to have a good look at the data and a think about a model for a better points system. I've got it on the back burner in my head and I suspect something will pop up while I'm on my morning commute. The model needs to encourage participation and attendance, but it also needs to give smaller clubs some recognition without making a mockery of the club concept by allowing "clubs" of 1 or 2 gun riders to win the championships. The ride off at the end, a great spectacle I'm sure you'll agree, is a good moderating mechanism and encourages broad participation from a club in the RAW season, but LACC is the biggest club in the state and we have difficulty in putting up the breadth of riders required! We also saw last night how even that moderating mechanism can be "gamed" with your 4 div 1 riders against our predominantly div 4 and 3 riders. The first few riders in the Italian were having a close race, then it became lopsided very quickly.

It's an interesting problem and something worth having a good think about. I might write it up and set it as an assignment in my critical thinking lecture for semester 1 next year. Maybe I can crowd source an answer. Anyway, thinking hat off, hipster suck etc. Happy to have a chat about this one day over a soy latte.

bigfriendlyvegan
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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 13 Sep 2014, 21:48

utopia wrote:Great job throughout the series BFV!
I'm surprised Rockhold or Bisping haven't hired you to do their fight promotion yet.
See you RAW 2015!


Yes, I would really like to mock people who have no sense of humour and who do professional violent things to people. Moreover, I don' t think that "satire" is a word that fans of this particular "sport" understand outside of describing parts of a car.

Thanks for the props. See you next year. I love that I can insult you guys every week for two season and you thank me for it at the end.

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Postby steliop » 20 Sep 2014, 17:46

Congratulations guys. Thanks for a great season. See you next year. -Stel

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