Advice : Alu - Clincher wheels recommendations

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Postby utopia » 30 Jul 2013, 16:40

I'm looking for a recommended set of aluminium - clincher wheels.

Ideally in comparison to Mavic Ellipse in terms of performance / price as a benchmark
(Evans / Ribble have Ellipse for about AUD500 delivered)

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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » 30 Jul 2013, 20:11

Pro-Lite Rosa Wheels. I've seen quite a few good riders using them as training/warm up wheels.

http://www.pro-liteoz.com/store/index.p ... t&catId=17

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Postby utopia » 30 Jul 2013, 23:12

Nice, looks pretty interesting. thanks BFV!

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Postby utopia » 01 Aug 2013, 14:25

erm, any other recommendations ?
I saw a DA hub laced up to a Velocity rims at Dunc.
Also saw a B43 wheelset that seems interesting http://store.velocityusa.com/p/b43-track-wheel-set
Looked at the TWE website but hard to get a handle on what's available.

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Postby rhys » 01 Aug 2013, 16:59

It's hard to beat Deep V's, even with the stock hubs. They are what the AIS use as training wheels so they will most likely hold up to whatever we can throw at them.

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Postby utopia » 11 Aug 2013, 17:06

I read up about deep Vs. They are 30mm , 550g+ rims.
30mm is also what Mavics, Pro-lite rims are.
However Alu makes anything deeper =heavier. b43 for example are 700+g rims.
So the question 1 is: are deeper rim wheels (43mm), assuming more aero (but heavier than 30mm)better for track?

Question 2
Mavic Ellipse, which I'm bench-marking against, says its advantage is aero and light at sub1900g.
Pro-lite is 2246g
Planet X AL30 D Track Wheelset is a 1925g set with 30mm, sealed bearings, for about 224delivered.
Link : http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/WPP ... hed_silver

Anyone has an opinion on it?

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Postby christian » 12 Aug 2013, 18:04

Wheel weight (rim weight) doesn't actually affect your efficiency much once you get up to speed. The difference it does make is accelerating and decelerating. Hub weight is not really that important and Im sure there are a lot of track riders that couldn't tell the difference between hub types. Spoke choice affects the wheel stiffness, bladed spokes make stiffer wheels. You want your wheels to be as stiff as possible because it is a source of loss of power, deeper rims are generally stiffer but the rim construction comes into it as well. It comes down to how much weight is towards the edge of the wheel, tyres and tubes can make a difference.

Are we looking for training or race wheels here? Training wheels can be anything, you want your race wheels to be nice.

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Postby utopia » 13 Aug 2013, 13:55

From what I see from Garmin, a track training session very seldom goes over 40km.
Not sure if it justifies getting a set just for training - besides, like you said, any set will do for training.

it's for juniors use, so no carbon or tubulars or tubeless allowed. (and clinchers are sub 200g these days )
So in this case, a race-wheel ? weight and hence acceleration does make a difference, yes ?

Some people say build a wheel, but the sums don't seem to match up.
Deep Vs rims (say $150/pair) + hubs (say $100/pair, more if I look at Campy or DA ) + bladed spokes (bag of 20x 2 , say $120 , maybe $180 )+nipples (say $20) + build ($150 pair) it becomes a question of why would you do that vs Ellipse at AUD500 for essentially the same 30mm depth, bladed spokes wheelset. I must be missing something, but I dont know what it is.

Anyway, this one is out of consideration : http://www.bikepro.com.au/ProductDetail ... k-clincher

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Postby rhys » 13 Aug 2013, 20:06

TBH, I think you might be looking into it too much. All wheels around that price will have no discernible performance difference and it basically comes down to the one that you like the look of the most.

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Postby christian » 13 Aug 2013, 20:34

I agree with Rhys that in this price bracket just go with the one that looks the best unless you can pick something up on sale. IMHO wheel weight makes more of a difference in a race with lots of acceleration changes like a scratch, wheel races tend to be speed up and push until you crack. Campag or DA hubs is getting carried away (unless you feel like spending money), get some wheels to train/race now and train on when race wheels are allowed. If you want something built check with some wheels builders about what they can do for juniors, Melody or TWE to name two.

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Postby utopia » 13 Aug 2013, 23:01

So buy-by-pretty-picture is my realistic option.
Good thing I can do that! :D


Thanks very much for the other inputs.
Hope someone else found some of it useful.


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